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PIETTA Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver

The Remington Model 1858 with its solid top strap was one of the most powerful and rugged performers of its day. Easily removable/replaceable cylinders made reloading extremely fast. These highly realistic reproductions include polished brass trigger guard, and walnut grips. Also available in a more compact version with all the legendary accuracy and dependability of the classic 1858. Barrel length: 8". Overall length: 14". Weight: 2 lbs., 11 oz.
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What is the difference between a new army .44 and an army .44?

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Is FFFFg ok to use in my 1858 .44???

Received the '58 .44 as a surprise. Too impatient to wait and I had FFg and FFFFg but no recommended FFFg. I used theFFFFg and was happy and successful with every load.

What is the issue in using FFFFg? Do I really need to find FFFg?
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Using any other powder other than FFFG in the Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, item number IK-210082, will cause dangerous pressure spikes and will void the warranty.
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FFFFg powder is to be used ONLY for priming a flintlock. FFFFg will produce much higher chamber pressures than FFFg. You may get away with it for a while, but it definitely harder on the revolver. It will loosen it over time and may cause a catastrophic failure. Please only use FFFg or FFg if you must use something else.
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Pyrodex loads in manuals: Grains vol. or grains wt.??

Checking out the loads in the manuals that came with my '58 Rem., I see that the max load recommended for Pyrodex P is 28 gr. while for fffg Black it is 35 gr.

I use Pyrodex in my front-stuffers and have always understood that Pyrodex and Black are exactly equivalvent when loaded BY VOLUME. IOW if 35 gr. of black is OK, then 35 gr. of Pyrodex should be too, if loaded BY VOLUME.

However, Pyrodex weighs less than an equivalent volume of Black. Even if a measure set to 35 grains is filled with Pyrodex, it will weigh approximately 25% less than 35 grains.

I normally load by volume (using a measure# and not weight. Must my volume measure be set at #or below) the lower limit for Pyrodex listed in the manual?

Being an engineer, I obsess about these things...forgive me.
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Use volume for Pyrodex ( it has the same volume as black powder ).
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Due to liability issues we are not able to recommend any specific loads. We are only able to recommend that you follow a load manual produced by a reputable manufacturer.
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use the same throw with any sub powder as you do with fffg I shoot 35 pyrodex P somthging about grain size and volume it works out the same
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Can I get 400 ft lbs at 50 yards with this?

I am thinking of using this gun to start pistol hunting deer. I have to have atleast 400 ft lbs at 50 yards to legally hunt with it in my state. Is that possible with this gun?
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It's possible to get 450 ft lbs 15 ft from the muzzle with Pyrodex P with .454 RB ( 141 gr.) and 200 gr conicals.
(And these loads probably aren't recommended so I will not go in to what they are.)
I 've never chronographed at 50 yards. A ballistics calculator could probably tell you that. I'd check with your State Fish and Game agency and they will probably tell you if you can use it or not ( and if so advise on a proper load.).
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NO - with a 142 grain round ball the velocity will be about 1000 fps which gives only 300 ft lbs at the mussel. Even a 225 grain conical ball will be just below 400 ft lbs. The energy at 50 yards will be less of course.
Go to YouTube and search for "Ruger Old Army Round Ball vs Conicals" the gentleman who produced this series has some very clear metrics on the black powder revolvers.
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At 25 yards possibly, at 50 yards "Probably Not". I would check with the Manufacturer in this instance. And to prevent "Bambi" from suffering I'd use a standard handgun something like a .357 or a .45 or a 9mm.
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Do I really need FFFg?

I have FFg and FFFFg. The FFg seems to work great - 100% bang. Do I really need the recommended FFg? (I have a lot of FFg)
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The Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, Item # IK-210082,
uses the FFFG black-powder as per recommendation from the manufacturer.
Due to liability issues we are not able to recommend the use of different
powders or load amounts.
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FFG is used for Rifles and Shotguns. It is a coarser (Larger) Granulation than FFFG. It will measure differently than FFFG. Use of FFG in pistols may work, but may cause excessive pressure resulting in premature wear and ultimately, Failure of the pistol. NOTE: FFFFG is used for the PRIMER Charge in Flintlock Rifles and Pistols.
Final Answer: for best performance and longest life of Pistol, Use FFFG ONLY. (Or Pyrodex P: FFFG Substtute.)
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FFg will work fine, however, it will leave a lot more residue and will produce lower pressure and therefore lower velocities. It is usable, but for best results use FFFg or PISTOL substitues.
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Cylinder movement?

Just got my 1858 on Friday, haven't gotten a chance to shoot it, as I can't find any powder or caps available. But I was wondering, being my first revolver, is there supposed to be movement of the cylinder?

It seems I can move mine slightly up and down, and side to side. Is this something I should be concerned about? I'm worried about it lining up correctly with the barrel.

Thanks
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mine moves a little also does not effect usability 20 rounds no change in movement as a note my S&W 629 has a little also1979 and a few thousand rounds
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A slight amount of play is probably fine. My Piettas do.
( Even my cartridge revolvers have a little).
As long as the cylinder bolt is in the slot and there is a slight gap between the barrel and cylinder ( that doesn't completely close) when wiggling it up and down. Shine a light down the barrel
( WHEN IT'S UNLOADED !!! ) if you are unsure and it will be obvious if it is not lining up. Comparison to other revolvers would be beneficial.
Note: On the 1858's I like the mainspring heavy enough that the hammer, when in a cylinder safety notch, will not slip out of the notch when rocking the cylinder with moderate to heavy pressure. This will eliminate most ignition problems. It's best to not dry fire with the cylinder installed. These are quite good guns.
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The cylinder in my gun fit too tightly to the barrel and the frame right below the barrel. This caused fouling that would not let the cylinder turn properly. I think it is a design flaw from Pietta because original guns have a lot of back and forth play in them. I did a lot of filing and now have the problem solved. I was able to get German #11 caps which fit fairly well. American # 11s fall off and # 10s are hard to find. Shoot it (without putting your hand in front of the cylinder) and see how it works, then start filing if needed. I like the gun, just shouldn't have to tune it so much.
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no should not be able to move it up and down at all
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im brand new to blackpowder pistols and i want to know what should i clean for initial cleaning

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The Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210082, should be completely disassembled, cleaned and lubricated upon arrival to remove any shipping grease and to make sure there is no rust or corrosion beginning. The gun should be cleaned and lubed again after each use.
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Get on line U tube or remove grips anduse Hot soapy water to clean and use lite oil or wd-40 do not get lube in Cyl.bores make sure nipples are not cloged do not over tighten nipples
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Read The Instruction & Safety Manual for Black Powder Muzzle Loading Revolvers & Carbines, That came with the firearm & "FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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They come packed in a VERY heavy coat of lubricant. I stripped mine down completely, and wiped off all the lube. Used a toothbrush for the action and cylinder, and a dry bore mop for the cylinders bores and barrel. Then a very light coat of gun oil and wiped down any excess with a soft cloth.

I don't know if this is the best way to do it, but it works for me. Working in a machine shop, I've seen too many instances of heavy oil + dust/dirt = metal wear.
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Difference between 1858's?

What is the difference between item # IK-210082 and IK-216068? Both are steel frame 1858's made by Pietta. Thanks
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-6063 is what you would normally pay for gun + starter kit.

-082 normally comes without anything but a gun-in-a-box, but recently Cabelas must have excess inventory of the starter kits, so they're throwing them in for free.

Both are the same gun and normally the starter kit costs extra Since free is better - get the $229 #-0082 before Cabelas discontinues the bargain...
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the started kit that's all
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One has the "Starter Kit With It" & the other doesn't , the Starter Kit includes a Revolver Black Powder Measuring Cup, Revolver Black Powder Flask, a Revolver Nipple Wrench, 30 Wonder Wads, 30 Wonder Seals & 30 Revolver Lead Round Balls. THE OTHER DOESN'T INCLUDE THIS KIT.
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The latter includes a starter kit it would seem.
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personal protection?

Is it ok to use the piece for personal protection in general? Im mainly worried about over penetration in town. also im using 28-30 gr. of prodex P. with a .451 lead ball under a lubed wad. thanks in advance.
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These black powder revolvers really aren't the best choice for home protection. If it's all you had, then its a better choice than a golf club or a bb gun, but there are so many reasons to get a modern firearm, that uses modern ammunition for home protection.

For one, the caps could fall of, or get brushed off if you are moving around and the gun bumps something in the night,

There is always the risk of getting a "dud" cap..

If it is loaded and stored for a period of time, moisture could infiltrate the charge and cause the gun to not fire...there have been accounts of people finding these old guns that were loaded and still fire years later, but I have personally had issues with moisture and misfires just during a regular day at the range if its a moist and extremely humid day..

the risk of unwanted discharge is also much greater than with a modern firearm.. some caps are exposed when its loaded and capped, even if the hammer is in the safety notch or on an empty chamber. Just as the cap could be knocked off in a tense defense situation, it could also get struck and cause a discharge from a chamber that isn't lined up with the barrel ..
Dropping it can also cause these things to go wrong..

To me, it's not the low round count that makes it a poor defense choice, it's all the reasons you might not even get one good shot that would make me weary of using one of these to protect my home... most gunfights don't last 6 rounds and more than 30 seconds anyways, and hundreds of thousands of people still use a revolver for defense and are successful.

A good modern firearm, with high quality Personal Defense ammo is what you should consider ..
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when loaded with a Pyrodex .44 cal pellet this gun will penetrate 2 inches of pine with power left over. It is about as powerful as a 1911 Colt .45 automatic. It will easily shoot through the wall of a conventional wood frame house and still do a lot of damage on the other side. Be careful.
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Black powder revolvers are obsolete technology. I would not rely on one for self-defence unless I had no access to a modern firearm. There is just no reason to rely on a 6-shot, hard-to-reload firearm like an 1858 Remington when you can have a modern autoloading handgun that holds 15 or more rounds.

That said, the .44 ball moving out at 800-900 feet per second is quite lethal and graveyards are full of people killed by them.

Overpenetration is always a concern and if you live in a modern house made with sheetrock and stud framing a .44 will probably go through every wall in your house and out the exterior wall unless you get lucky and hit a stud or if you have a brick home. Period testing of these arms was to see how many pine planks they would shoot through and as I recall they went through a few. I believe overpenetration should be assumed and plan accordingly.
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Thousands of people have been brought down with an 1858 Remington over the past 156 years.

A straight comparison to modern ballistics isn't really accurate because it's shooting a soft lead ball instead of a jacketed or harder lead-alloy bullet. The soft lead mushrooms and can fragment if it hits bone and makes a terrible wound.
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What is the max load with Triple se7en FFFG for this?

I understand that Triple se7en FFFG is supposed to be volumetrically equivalent to Black Power FFFG. But some say Triple se7en is hotter than Black Powder. What is the max Triple Se7en load for the 1858?
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30 grains
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i have used 25 grains up to 35 grains with no problem at all
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Due to liability issues, we are not able to recommend any specific loads. We are only able to recommend that you follow a load manual produced by a reputable manufacturer.
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LOOK, when you start messing with loads "Other Than Black Powder" you're asking for the handgun to remove your arm 'UP TO THE ELBOW". Personally I like both of my arms, my eyes, etc. etc.
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Can this pistol, or any black powder revolver, be loaded with a small charge of lead shot?

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The LeMat would be your ideal choice for using lead shot, by virtue of the 20 ga underbarrel.

Firing shot in any rifled barrel isn't very accurate, due to the spin rifling imparts on a cluster of shot. As it leaves the barrel it will rapidly spread. Loading an over-the-powder wad, shot, than an over-the-shot card to hold it together would lose its' charm after only a few repetitions.

Any residual wadding left in the barrel after firing a shot load would present a safety hazard for firing subsequent shots without checking to ensure the barrel is clear.
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i have never heard of this but i think you mite be able to by useing wax but i do now Y a person would
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Just put a wonder wad below and above the shot - it works fine, I've done it many times in an 1860 - a .44 cal ball weighs about 141 grains, I doubt you could get this much shot between two wads, though. Weigh some out and have fun.
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Personally I WOULDN'T, It just isn't SAFE.
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If i put a convertion cylynder in this gun for 45 colt long will it handle the 950fps/460ft.lbs that the hornady 225gr fts's produce?

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This is a very good black powder revolver, emphasis on "black powder." The conversion cylinders are acceptable if you stay in the "Cowboy load" or black powder equivalent loads. Modern .45 LC loads are a disaster waiting to happen in bp revolvers w/conversion cylinders.
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i have a cartridge conversion for mine in 45lc and have not shot the hornady 225gr but i have shot a 255gr bullet with 35gr of triple 7 which runs close to 900 fps .i feel sure it will handle the 225. i loaded a 230gr with 30 gr of triple 7 and it shot it better than the 255.i also loaded the cartridges with 5gr of clays with round ball which shot better than any of thr above. but it shoots the best with 32gr of triple 7 with the round ball.
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According to all the information I can find, Cowboy cartridge loads should be just fine (steel frame only). To be sure, contact the manufacturer of the conversion cylinder.
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jacketed ammo is a no-no, and that ammo is a bit strong for this firearm. for the money you'd have in the remington and the conversion cylinder, you could buy a ruger blackhawk which would stand up to just about anything you'd want to use in it!
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I would have to say NO....it seems to me like you want to get your arm "BLOWN OFF" & YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH, DON'T DO IT, IT'S SUICIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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anyone have any insight on the charge needed for use with triple 7 on this pistol

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25 to 30 grains of triple 7 would be the most accurate load range. However, you can load up to 35 grains of triple 7 safely in the 1858, per the load information on the triple 7 container.
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Pietta recommends the following: .44 1858 with .454 round ball & fiber wad, 20 grains of 3F 777 produces 536 fps; 25 grains of 3F 777 produces 763 fps. These volumes reflect safe loads.
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I use 25 grains to target Shoot, But gun will accept
up to 40grain.
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Hey Hunter,

Triple 7 is a BP equivalent, so you can use charge weights as if it were BP. Anywhere from 20-30 grains is typical. Good luck!
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I use 24 grains of T7. its accurate and works well in my 1858
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i used 30gr and worked great at 20yrds 3-4inch group
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which nipple wrench works with the Pietta 1858 new army 44 caliber revolver

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If ordering from Cabelas and it does not specify for an 1858 New army , I'd call and ask one of the product specialists. I prefer a nipple wrench that has been hardened.
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I purchased the "Revolver Nipple Wrench w/6 Nipples", item # 1K-21-0271
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The nipple wrench that will work for your Pietta New Army 44 caliber revolver would be the Pedersoli Revolver Nipple Wrench with 6 Replacement Nipples, item # 21-0271.
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ted cash ratcheting nipple wrench idem # 217375 , works great make sure you get the right size
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I have been using the Pedersoli nipple wrench, Item #IK-210271, with good results. It even stood up to a couple of stuck/frozen nipples on a slightly abused cylinder I brought back to life.
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The Ted Cash nipple wrench works perfect with the Pietta 1858.
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What type of replacement nipples do i use in the 1858 new army .44 cal revovler?

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The Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver has a nipple thread size of 6 x .75mm.
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If you can find them SlixShot nipples are fantastic!
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The 1858 New Model Army .44 Caliber Revolver, item IK-210082, as maded by Pietta, uses 6x.75mm pistol nipples in either stainless steel or blued steel versions.
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you can get No. 10 or 11 nipples they are equiped with 10's from factory
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Pieta steel revolver nipples is sure to work with it and uses #10 percussion caps.
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Call Cabela's Customer Service & ask for BP Firearms Expert they can tell you.
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Pyrodex??

As I am a newbie to the cap and ball world.... Is Pyrodex Select appropiate for this gun or should I use Pyrodex-P? OR will either do fine??
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The Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver uses FFFg powder, which is the equivalent of Pyrodex P. The Select is only recommended for use in black powder rifles and shotguns.
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Oyrodex P will work fine as long as you use a FFFG black poweder substitute. It must be a 3f g equivalent for black powder. Ther is FFG FFFG and FFFFG. You want the FFFG which the Pyrodex P is perfect for this revolver.
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I prefer the Alliant black MZ. But Pyrodex P is the proper type. P is for pistol
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I tried the Pyrodex Pellets, they worked ok, but I prefere real black powder! in FFFg, as for Pyrodex "P" should be fine, but is a bit more corrosive if you wait too long to clean after firing! I'm not sure of select! You should use FFFg or 3f but FFg or 2f if you want more smoke and less FPS (feet per second) Don't use more then 30gr of powder nor less then 15gr. Have fun experimenting, but be safe, and swab the barrel often, to keep consistancy of accuracy!
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Only Pyrodex P (as in pistol) can be used. This is the equivalent to FFFG Black Powder that was used in these guns historically.
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Pyrodex will work fine! If you want performance and ease of cleaning however check out the use of Hodgdon 777 Black Powder substitute! Much better and easier clean up. Not cheap, but is better on the metals and is not corrosive like Pyrodex.
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I've been told that this firearm can handle 1000 fps and 500 ft.lbs at the muzzle, is that TRUE??

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The Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, item IK-210082, would require a powder charge exceeding the maximum recommended load of 35 grains of FFFg black powder to approach the referenced velocity. The referenced energy level, with a .451 lead ball, can't be achieved with the cylinder chamber volume available.
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it could be but i loaded mine with 35gr of triple 7 and it checked close to 900 fps and i felt that it was a little much. i backed off to 30gr to get 830 fps which felt safer less recoil which does not bother me and was just as accurate.
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Actually, you can easier reach & exceed 1000 f/s with the .36 Remington than with the .44. The .36 may lose energy quicker, but initial acceleration of a lighter projectile can be evidenced by the distinctive suspersonic crack, commonly heard when firing a .36 hot load,

1000 f/s and 500+ ft/lb is more within the expected range of the higher capacity Dragoons and are exceeded a little with the Colt Walker.
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I don't know from experience, but fitted with a .45 long colt conversion cylinder and cowboy loads, I'm told it shoots just fine and for a long time (steel frame only).
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Not unless you exceed the recommended amount of 777 and a heavy conical.

A realistic load of 35 grains of FFFG under a .454 round ball would get you about 900fps and 234 ft.lbs. of energy.
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1000fps is the MAXIMUM this gun will do. Most loads are in the 900fps range. You could do it, but you might wear it out or damage it by firing that kind of load repeatedly.
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How long do you think a pistol will last if taken care of properly thought its life?

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it will last longer than you.A well made firearm that is well cared for will ;last several lifetimes
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Shooting reasonable loads, any gun that is conscientiously maintained, and treated with care, should last a lifetime.
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If taken care of properly, the Pietta 1858 will last much longer than its owner.
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There are a lot of original 1858s out there still shooting. With the better steel in this gun, I would expect your grandchildren will be shooting it.
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longer than you. you can still shoot the originals, so why won't these last 150+ years?
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Indefinitely. There are *original* Remington New Army revolvers still in firing condition.

I own firearms that are over 100 years old that are still in excellent condition.

Like all mechanical devices, they wear with use. The more they are used, the more certain parts will wear.

One thing I have noticed with *some* reproduction black powder arms is that the internal wearing parts are not heat treated as well as in cartridge firearms. I believe this is because they know that black powder arms are not fired nearly as many times as cartridge arms, and so they can get away with softer internal parts.

If you use these firearms a lot, say for N-SSA competition or similar use, you may find that some of the softer parts wear out (sears, tumblers). Many people end up removing these parts, dressing them back into shape with a file, and then case hardening them at home and heat treating them themselves.

But quality issues aside, any firearm can last forever if it is protected from corrosion and never fired.
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Does the barrel have rifleing ?

If it does, approx twist ?
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The Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210082 does have a rifled barrel.
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yes. 1-30" twist,
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Yes, the barrels are rifled. I don't know the twist rate.
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Yes it has rifling, not sure of twist rate.
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Just look down the barrel, you can see the rifling.

don't know twist.
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yes it has rifling and the twist is 1:30"
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1858 new army and video

I ordered the 1858 new army Pietta pistol #1k-210082. Does a nipple wrench come with it and what size is to be used?
The video on loading the pistol shows Hornady 44 cal. .451 round ball being loaded. Pietta spec. sheet shows .454 to be used. Guidance would be appreciated. Thanks
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If you are using .454's you are likely to break the linkage for the loading arm if the cylinder shaves off a full ring of lead and loading is particularly difficult. Although the .454 is designated in the manual I have found that for the two I own and 5 of 6 of other 1858 Remington replica revolvers I cast bullets or round balls for, that the cylinder will shave off a good bit of lead indicating that the .451 ball or bullet could be, or should be used.
There is a bit of machining tolerance built into manufacturing so some revolvers may accept the larger ball more easily than others....
!!!!!!! Test your pistol carefully!!!!!!
Some pistols may accept the .451 lead TOO easily and tend to cross fire..... Use great care in attempting to use the smaller size ball if it slips into the cylinder too easily and use an over powder wad to help prevent possible cross firing!
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Howdy, I have only fired 30 shots with the 1858 but I use the same Hornady .454 balls I use with my 1860 Army. The 1858 is a superb shooter with these, super accurate. I recall being advised somewhere to use .454 in the 1860 Army instead of 451. If you get a ring shaved off the ball when seating it is a proper fit, and that is the case with the .454 balls, a perfect thin ring of lead comes off every time.
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Nipple wrench does not come with the revolver unless you order the revolver with the cabelas starter kit. You can buy a nipple wrench for black powder revolvers from cabelas. You can use either .454 or .451 round balls with this revolver. The .454 will seat tighter and thus make a better gas seal, but the .451 balls will also work just fine in my experience.
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everything i read said to use the .451. I used it fits snug, and works great. everything i read the .454 fits very tight and harder to load.
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Nipple wrench was not included with either of mine a year or so ago. Nipple wrenches should specify for 1858
New Army. ( call a product specialist and see what Cabelas is carrying). I prefer a case hardened nipple wrench.

I have used only .454 round balls and have experienced
no problems. ( .454 Hornady and self cast ). Leaves a nice ring of lead when seating. Hope that helps.
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I purchased with a kit which came with a nipple wrench, and balls which were,.451 which work fine. I miced my barrel and cylinder bore just to be sure which is a good idea just to be sure every thing is equal.
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I bought the gun only box. No nipple wrench. As for the size ball to use I use the .451. They fit tight and leave a small lead ring cut off after rammed into the cylinder.
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