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PIETTA Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Black Powder Revolver

Although designated as a Navy revolver, the Model 1851 saw heavy use among Army officers who favored .44-caliber firepower. It was constructed of brass because of the South's limited supply of steel. Patterned after the original, the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Black Powder Revolver features a brass trigger guard and frame, blued octagonal barrel, blued cylinder and walnut grips. Spare cylinder (sold separately) provides quick reloads. Barrel length: 7.5”. OAL: 13.25”. Wt: 2.625 lbs.
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Are the frames the same size in 36 or 44 caliber ?

I am wondering if I could change the barrel and cylinder of a 36 caliber with a 44 caliber ? This way I only have one frame that uses both calibers. Anyone, is this possible ? Or are the frames different sizes ? Thank you for your time, Johnny
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086, is singificantly different than the same revolver in .36. The 2 calibers are do not have interchangeable parts.
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The chamber has to match the size of the barrel too... so no this will not work.
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NO!!!! The Cylinder of the 36 cal is to Small for the frame of the 44! I suggest that You Use what You Have!
Learn To Be a Gunsmith! Calibrate the Cylinders' and
You will see! Don't play with Dynomite!!. We all Wan't
You to stay Around! Your Shooting Friend! db.
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no, the 44 cal has a rebated cylinder and the 36 does not. If you want to shoot 36 and 44, buy two guns.
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can this BP revolver be converted to use the 209 primer

I would like to convert to 209 primers because the # 10 caps are as scarce as Hens teeth.
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It would be an impractical conversion, and I believe there is not enough room on the revolver to do it safely. If you can't find any #10 caps, buy #11s. When you find them, buy a thousand, it will take a very long time to go through them.
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No. Best replacement is the stainless nipples in no# 11 size.
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Cabelas at this time does not offer a 209 conversion kit for the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item # Ik-210086.
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No you can't convert it. But you can order Size 11 or 10 caps online.
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.451 or .454 roundballs for this revolver?

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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Black Powder Revolver, Item # IK-210086, uses .451" diameter lead balls.
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I've tried both sizes and they both work fine. The .451 balls are a little easier to seat, but again, both sizes seat and seal properly.
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either will work I like .454 leaves a couple of thousands lead ring when you set the ball. known tight seal in the cylinder. much less chance of a cross fire between cylinder Always pure lead only
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Either will work. The smaller .451 is just a little easier to load. If you like the tighter seal of the .454, a light coat of Bore Butter helps seat it.
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Is the cylinder for the Pietta 1851 Navy .44 interchangable with the Pietta 1858 New Army .44?

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The cylinder for a Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver (210086) in not interchangable with any other models. Cabela's offers spare cylinders for the the Pietta 1858 New Army .44.

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/sear...
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No-They are different and they both use a different set of notches in the chamber to rotate them.
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no
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No, the 51 will fit the 1860 but not the 58 .The 58 is a remington replica the 51 and 60 are colt replicas
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NO! The Cylinders' are of different tapered sizes'! db.
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Triple 7 Fouling

I've been using 777 3f and my 1851, after just two loads, the cylinder won't freely rotate anymore. I'm forced to constantly lube between loads to ensure good action. Just wondering if this is normal for BP or if it is perticular to 777.
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It may be the 777. I shot strictly Goex Pinacle, and had no issues. I coated the cylinder pin, or arbor, with TC Bore Butter prior to shooting, and I put about 75 rounds through it.
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I have been using Pyrodex Triple F and have had no problems other than an occasional cap hanging up after firing.
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Hodgdon does not recommend the use of 777 in brass-framed revolvers. 25 grains of Pyrodex P is considered max for a brass frame. on my 1851 it starts getting stiff around 6 cylinders shot but still revolves fine so something has to be wrong for sure. i would make sure nothing is bent first and make sure the spent percussion caps are not getting stuck in the action.
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I began shooting real black powder over 45 years ago & just recently got some 777 to compare with Pyrodex & American Pioneer Powders.

In general, Black Powder fouls quicker than any of the substitutes. I've fired about 100 rounds each of Pyrodex, American Pioneer & also 777 thru a .36 Remington without any need to clean in order to maintain function.

I've found the biggest contributing factor to fouling build-up is the use of too much ball lube. It's been trendy for the past several decades or more to recommend gooping up the cylinders with grease after seating bullets in order to supposedly eliminate flashover (firing an adjacent cylinder before it comes into battery). I can't find any historical reference to this precautionary procedure & an old-timer at my range 40 years ago said he never greased the cylinder as a kid.

With all this in mind, a light application of the proper ball lube is necessary, but the composition of it seems most critical. Petroleum-based lubes & bearing grease seem to foul much quicker, although paraffin is said to be an exception. I've used either plain Crisco, or various mixtures of tallow, crisco & beeswax with much cleaner results.

If you use the pre-lubed felt wads, you can eliminate need for ball lube altogether, or simply put a paper wad over your powder charge in each cylinder, add a little lube, and then seat your balls. Less lube accumulation will attract & hold less fouling & should extend your range time between any necessary cleanings.

You can make a lifetime supply of paper wads - for .44 cal, 1/2 sheet of toilet paper folded first into a square, then fold all corners inward, seat over the powder charge with a tapered dowel. Add a little grease, and then seat the bullet.
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Triple 777 Is NOT The Corect Propellant for this Reproduction!. Do You Wan't to Blow Up Youre Gun?
This Is a Brass Frame Reproduction for Black Powder
ONLY or the equivalent FFg Pyrodex! You are lucky
that The Cylinder has not Exploded! Get Pyrodex!.
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What accessories do I need?

This will be my first black powder gun. Other than the obvious (balls, caps, powder, and wads) what other accessories do I need? How about cleaning accessories including oil and lube? Is there a list of item numbers I could look up so I may order everthing at once. Thanks
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For the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086, the best accessories I recommend would be the Cabela's Black-Powder Revolver Starter Kit, item # IK-216053 and the Cabela's Black-Powder Field Cleaning Kit, item # IK-216136.
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nipple wrench and pick and i clean with hot soapy water and dry it then use sovent and spray it with light coat gun oil check in 3or 4 days if need wipe with oil again
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Soap and water (simply green is excellent) and any good gun oil is all you need besides elbow grease.
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Powder horn (or some such small powder holder)
powder measure
Capper (option device to assist in placing percussion caps)
Nipple wrench (to remove percussion cap nipples to aid in cleaning)
A 44 calibre pistol cleaning kit
Windex (this is used to stop the corrosive black powder salts from rusting the gun)
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You need a bag full of stuff..
Nipple wrench
cleaning kit for Black Powder
Cleaning patches
Rags
Nipple pick
Revolver capper
Screwdrivers that fit each screw on the gun, for when a cap get all jammed up in the works and you have to get it out.
Maybe Bore Butter..I prefer to use a lubed wad and tight ball..the bore butter on the 1851 seems to just gunk up the wedge a lot faster making it a pain to get out after 30 rounds or so.. some may argue but you can try it and make your own decision on that issue..
Can of compressed air is handy to have in the bag..not going to explain further but you will find yourself using it a lot if its in the bag...
Some Rem Oil or similar oil to oil things up after a quick field cleaning.. some cleaners do both.. try several methods and use what you like best..
A water proof ammo box is nice to keep your caps and powder in when the weather is moist..(that kind of depends on where you live.)
Spare cylinders are handy.
A loading stand is like a 3rd hand when loading.
And I bring a .22 cal revolver with me to the range..( that's so I can keep shooting when I know the next cease fire will be sooner than I can load up another go around in the Black Powder gun ) ^_^
You will probably find more gadgets and tools you like as you get into it...just have to keep trying new things until you get YOUR method and system dialed in ....
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Can I use HODGDON .44 CALIBER REVOLVER PELLETS

Can I use HODGDON .44 CALIBER REVOLVER PELLETS in the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate .44 Cal. Revolver
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Pyrodex® .44/.45 Caliber 30-Grain Pellets Item # IK-213724 can be used in any .44 or .45 black powder pistol which can handle 30 grain loads. Please check the owners manual to verify the max load the pistol can handle. Do not use rifle pellets in a revolver.
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only the 30gr. ones
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You can but the brass frame will loosen up and wear faster because the pellets are 30 grain loads, max for a brass frame 1851 is 25 grains
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I Suggest Using Only Cabela's 451 or 454 Swaged
Black Powder ROUND Balls'! Pellets' tend to ruin the Barrel!. db.
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With the brass models you might want to stay away from the pellets as they are 30 grain,the manufacture suggests to use no more than 25 grain.It would probably be ok but not every time.To be certain check your manual.
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Conical bullet

Can you use a conical bullet in this revolver? Anybody who has done so?
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I personally have not put conical bullets in my revolver, But I know people who have. You have to use slightly less powder in order to make the conical fit, and can be difficult to seal the chamber correctly. I would recommend sticking with round balls.
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I have been unable to do so. the projectile loading gap forward of the cylinder was too small to accommodate the .44 bullets I tried to use. It might be possible to load the cylinder with them separately and then re-insert the cylinder; but I have been unable to do so
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Yes, I shoot .451 conical bullets with no problems.
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I've cast .36 conical bullets when I was a kid & actually still have some left. They never worked particularly well in my Dad's 1861 Navy. I tried them in my 1858 Remington .36 & they just don't seem to be as accurate as the round balls.

I recently got a Colt Dragoon & some original loads using conicals were referenced. Reading around some of the black powder forums, I've gotten mixed results; most folks say the accuracy is better with roundballs, and very few seem to prefer the conicals. Those who do, use them with heavier charges of powder - somewhere around 41 gr. in the larger capacity Dragoon.

I tried a Lee .456" conical mold, since the base is supposed to be a smaller diameter, but they wouldn't seat.

Overall, the biggest problem with conicals is that, unless you find one sized so that the base hand-presses into the cylinder, it won't seat straight & accuracy will suffer. I considered the smaller Lee conical mold, but it doesn't seem to be of any advantage for my type of shooting to be worth using extra lead to cast a larger bullet than the roundball I have good results with now.
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You Can, But Conicals' will disfigure as compressed into cylinder! I would Not Recomend this! db.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item: IK-210086, can use conical bullets designed for use in black powder revolvers.
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What size?

OK now I am confused I just got the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver I ordered and I like very much yet it says simply ".44 call" on the barrel not what size ball to use. The Chibela's instruction manual says use .451 balls and the Elli Pietta instruction manual says use .454 balls.
So which is it? I need to know because I am going to order a mold for it.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK:210086, can use either the .451 or .454 diameter ball. Using the .454 diameter ball will seal the cylinder more efficiently than a .451 diameter ball.
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the balls the revolver uses are actually .45 caliber, but when they are rammed into the cylinder, roughly a 1mm. ring of lead will be trimmed off. This ensures a tight-fitting ball in the cylinder and prevents shifting of the projectile. either the .451 or the .454 balls will work since they are both .45 caliber. .454 balls are, however, slightly larger. Very slightly, mind you
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I use 454 I have the same gun and a 1858 and 1861 all use 454 balls with # 10 percussion caps. clean it well when you think you have clean it again oil it with knight oil from modern muzzel loaders
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.451
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Both Pietta and Uberti recommend a .454" ball. The .451" balls seem to work OK, but a little larger ball will fit tighter & give you better accuracy.

The stamp on the side says .44 caliber, because, ultimately .44 cal is what exits the muzzle.

You start out with a .454" ball, seat it into the cylinder. A small ring of lead shaves off, and the ball is reduced by a few thousandths of an inch. When you fire the loaded chamber, the ball is propelled forward, out of the cylinder & into the forcing cone, which further swages down the ball diameter. It is further reduced a little as soon as it engages the rifling to somewhere around .443-.449" depending on barrel & manufacturer.

A Lee .454" mold is what I use & I'm happy with it.
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u can use both but the .454 is better if u hunt with it more chamber psi
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Can petroleum based solvents like Outers Nitro Solvent, be used to clean this pistol without damaging it?

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The Outers Nitro Solvent may be used on the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver item number IK-210086 without damaging it.
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NO!
Use hot soapy water and a toothbrush. The water will evaporate quickly, and you can rub on some Bore Butter.
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yes but it may stain the brass
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You could use any petro-based cleaner without any damage, but keep in mind that it was made as a powder solvent for nitrocellulose-based powders.

Black powder & it's combustion byproducts are all water based. A sinkful of hot soapy water is much cheaper and effective to clean your black powder revolver than Hoppes.

Best to disassemble the revolver; everything goes into the hot, soapy water except the grips. I pre-treat all parts with Windex, let it sit in the sink for a few minutes, then go on to using hot soapy water and a toothbrush. Consider getting one of those jars of jewelery-cleaner that have the little basket inside - they're ideal to put all those loose screws, nipples, trigger, hand & bolt and all small parts into to avoid going down the drain.

Toothbrush with a little more dish detergent on it and a nylon bristle brush will clean it all. Follow up with a patch down the bore & chambers. Drain, then rinse with the hottest water you have. Drain, shake off parts & place on a folded towel - spray down with WD-40 to displace moisture, then wipe dry before oiling all parts with CLP, or your favorite gun oil before reassembly.

Be sure to have a set of properly fitting screwdrivers for disassembly & reassembly.

Q-tips are your friend - as long as you remove any residual lint afterward.
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yes you can but Mix 1/3 Murphy's oil soap, 1/3 Denatured Alchohol and 1/3 Hydrogen peroxide in a dark bottle and shake.

Soak a patch, run it thru your bore, let it sit for a few minutes and follow with a couple dry patches. Last run an oily patch thru to prevent rust.

This stuff literally melts black powder fouling away. it's very cheap to make and works better than any of the commercial stuff I have tried.
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Petroleum based solvents' are "NOT" Recomended!
Petroleum seep's into Places that You cannot Dry Out!
They are made for exactly What You Stated "NITRO"
These Reproduction's are not made for Nitro!.
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1851 Confederate Navy. 44 Caliber Revolver May
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all the parts' that it seeped into! why not use Cabela's
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What Diameter Ball Do I Use .454 Or .451

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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086, has a recommendation of .451 lead ball diameter.
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.454 if hunting but both could be used for pratice
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.451 are perfect fit and make a good seat
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I have better results with the .454 ball as it makes a tighter seal reducing the chance of chain firing. Always check the loading end of your cylinder for powder after loading to insure there are no particles on this surface. It happens.
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You can use Either, But for a better seal I use #454!
Remember to Use the correct ammount of Powder &
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Either one actually, although, .454 will seat tighter and give you a better gas seal.
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Can Pyrodex Select be used in the PM 1851?

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Pyrodex Select is not suitable for use in blackpowder revolvers. You would need to go with Pyrodex P powder.
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Yes, Pryodex is fine. AAA, about 15 -20 grains. Use lighter loads on brass frames.
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Pyrodex in the round cans .44/.45 tablets work the best. and no R/S is for rifle or shotgun, you'll need the powder with the P on it and a Green lable
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Pistol powder is granulated for pistols so it is best to use PPP black powder or a black powder substitute like Pyrodex or Tripple 7. Cabela's sells both. You want pistol powder, see the drop down menu on their web-site.
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3F black powder is the best, with Pyrodex P equally good. The RS Pyrodex is equivalent to 2F Black powder. It is coarser, with burn characteristics better suited to larger bore rifles, muskets & muzzleloading shotguns.

Sure, it will work if it's the only powder you have, but I'd consider any quantity of 2F powder the proper rationale to go buy a big bore rifle or musket to use it in ...

Pyrodex select, as I recall is intended more for in-line muzzleloader use & the extra cost isn't justified over that of a better performing pound can of Pyrodex P.
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PYRODEX P ONLY = TO 28g of powder !
otherwise Youre 44 caliber may be damaged!
Not to mention YOU! db.
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Does this gun have a rifled barrel

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Absolultely. Nice tight rifling. It shoots better than some modern handguns. You have to find the right load for you. I shoot .451 swagged Hornaday balls with a lubed wad between them and 22 grains of Tripple 7.
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The barrel is rifled. It shoots better than some modern firearms and is a blast to shoot. Use #10 Remington caps and .451 swagged balls to start with and have a great time.
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Yes these pistols have a rifled barrel with a 1 in 36 rate of twist.
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Yes. This makes the pistol very accurate at 25 yards. I have yet to test at further ranges.
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Shine a light into the bore and you'll see the lands & grooves or in other words - yes.
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yes but straight lines inside not a spiral and they sure do shoot straight.
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Are these single action, double action, or both?

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The 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver is jest single action and a lot of fun.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver – Free Starter Kit Included For a Limited Time, item # IK-210086, is a single action revolver.
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They are single action
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These revolvers are single action only.
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Single Action Only
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Single action.
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The revolver I purchased last year is now completely frozen up. It was cleaned well after last use. Anything I can do?

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If your Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086. is "frozen up" the best course would be to take the revolver to a qualified gunsmith to have it evaluated.
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soak in marvel mystery oil for a week then using channel locks and protective cloth (a vise if you have one)start working patrs loose starting with getting the lock pin out. when you put it away u neded to oil with knight oil with rust inhibitor. after you get it apart youll need to wire bruch everything to clean it
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I had the same thing happen when I left mine in a fishing bag for 3 weeks(stupid move) SOAK it in any good rust solvent and walk away for a day. Here comes the fun part(not). If you have an octogon barrel,lossen screw and remove wedge,take a 2x4 about 8 in long,put the edge on an octagon point and pound off barrel. It will not hurt anything,but use either brass or wood ! Next, pull hammer back and do the same thing with the cylinder,mine took a lot of hits but no damage to pistol. Good luck !
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Last Year??! You're overdue to go buy another - consider one of the Remington varieties.

While you're waiting for that Remington to arrive, completely disassemble your Colt - look for either a spent & squished percussion cap or some fragments. 99% of the time, it's just that pesky cap that falls in & locks up the entire action.

So, you're on the right track - get a second percussion cap revolver so you won't have to waste precious time at the range disassembling the froze-up one. You can just reach into the range bag & pull out your back-up.

40 years ago, my Dad brought home an 1861 Colt Navy & it quickly became MY job to disassemble, clean & reassemble it. Decades later, after finding a Remington on sale at Cabelas, I've spent more time shooting it - no problems with spent primers jamming it, or the other Remingtons that subsequently arrived on my doorstep.

I recently got another Colt and was able to jam it up right away.

Sometimes you can turn it upside down, work the hammer a little, shake it and the cap piece falls out, but usually removing the trigger guard/grip/backstrap is required to locate & remove the offending impediment.
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You Stated Purchased Last Year? Cleaned well after last use? Question= Cleaned well after Every Use?
Answer= Take The Barrel off, remove Cylinder , soak
all in soap water= dish liquid for several day's!
use cabela's cleaning brushe's ,oil the entire gun.
let set for several day's / or just soak entire gun in soap
water. then follow directions' above!. If This Reproduction was overloaded with too much powder it
will swell up causing it to FREEZE UP! db.
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In addition to the other answers I would check to make sure a fired percussion cap did not wedge it's self between the cylinder and the frame.
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What size caps are used for the 1851 Navy?

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I found that #10 fit mine the best.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item # IK-210086, uses #10 percussion caps.
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I have used both CCI and Remington caps in #10 and #11. All worked fine although the 11's seemed a little loose.
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#10
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Use # 10 Caps'! db.
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#10 percussion caps fit nice and snug and won't fall off.
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how do I get the loading revoler out to put another new one in?please help me out on this one Thankyou

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I assume you mean the cylinder. If so, you remove the wedge that holds the barrel in, and then just pull the barrel forward, and it will comeoff of the reciever (aligned with two pins) Then the cylinder slides off the shaft it revolves on. Reverse to assemble.
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remove the wedge in front of the cylinder to do this turn the screw one or two times then on the other side push the wedge out if it wont move smack it with something soft i use my plastic ball or bullet starter pull the wedge all the way to the screw head or out if you want then rotate the cylinder so the loader is in between chambers push the barrel off with it once it starts to move pull it off slide the cylinder off
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I assume you mean the cylinder (the revolving area where bullets are loaded)

First find the barrel wedge (its the block sticking out sideways from the barrel.

remove the machine screw in the wedge

drive the wedge out of the barrel

pull barrel away from handle while rotating back and forth slightly.
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The remove the cylinder from the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086, to replace with a spare cylinder, item # IK-210323, remove the wedge pin located in front of the cylinder on the right side of the revolver. It may require a brass punch for the first few times.
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There is a good video on Cabela's web site,check when you click on a specific revolver there usually are 2 clips,one for loading and one for cleaning,the loading one will show you both type,the 1851 will require the removel of the wedge (very easy).The 1858 is less time consuming.
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You Have to Purchase the correct screw driver to remove
the Barrel Retainer Pin! I warn You that By doing this You Can Ruin The Gun!!!, Remove the screw then compress the pin holder with a wooden tool, Tap on the pin until it come's out , Carefully pull the barrell from
the Gun then, half cock the gun as if loading, so the
Cylinder will turn, then carefully remove the cylinder!.
Remember to clean all Grease from Parts' and replace grease, before replacing Cylinder,"ECT"! db.
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Is it normal to have some play in the cylinder and the frame of this gun?

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Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item: IK-210086, should have very little play in the cylinder.
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There really should not be any end play or side play. If there is you need to have it checked out to see if there is any problem with the arbor .
I have shot mine for 2.5 years and there is no play to speak of. Shoot no more than the recommended amount of tripple 7 or black powder and you should be fine. I like 22 grains of Tripple 7 behind a lubed wad and .451 ball #10 Remington caps on my Reb .44.
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If the gun was a second hand buy dont shoot it. The brass may have been stressed if someone loaded to much powder. Also make sure all the screws are tight. As for the cylinder there should be very little play. If this is a second hand buy check ur blast shield to make sure theres no marks in it where the cylinder would have peened against it. If its a new gun just send it back.
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Normally there is some slack in the cylinder when the revolver is uncocked, When the hammer is fully cocked the slack should come out. At least thats what mine does.
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i would say no.mine is tight
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That Depends' on "if the gun is in Cocked position" or
How it has been treated? Such as How many times' it has been taken apart? , Has it been overloaded with too
much Powder, and has it been used as a Hammer? ,
Steel Frame or Brass Frame?. Your Question is not
complete? How old is this Gun?, And YES there is play
in these guns' to a very small amount! But How much play?, If it is cocked and the cylinder moves' side to side
someone has spun the Cylinder too many times!.
NEVER SPIN A CYLINDER OF ANY GUN! db.
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Can I use ffg powder in my Pietta 1851 .44 revolver?

If so, would I use the same load as if I was using fffg?
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I have used equal amounts of FFG and FFFG Pyrodex powder in these revolvers. 25 grains by volume is my usual load for the Pietta 1851 .44 Revolver.
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I have used FFG in the 1851 before, it takes the same load because ie. 25 grains by volume of FFFG is the same as 25 grains of FFG by volume
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No, use only 3F black powder.
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Yes. I measured 20 g's volume (which really came closer to 15 - 17 g's actual using the startyer kit measurer) FFG Pyrodex for my first 5 loads. BANG! SMOKE! How cool that was.

I have learned that the F's refer to texture of the black powder and its substitute. The more F's, the finer the powder and it's ability to ignite quickly and burn evenly.
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it says to use 25 grains powder but I use 30 grains solid.no problem.
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no, FFG is a slower burning powder made for rifles. The FFFG is what you need..
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Do you have to use the wads in this revolver because I don't in my new army revolver?

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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver – Free Starter Kit Included For a Limited Time, item # IK-210086, can be shot either with or without the use of wads. It is a matter of personal preference.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver with the Free Starter Kit that is Included For a Limited Time, item # IK-210086, can be shot either with or without a wad. It is a matter of personal preference.
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Ive found that wads are needed for charges under 22 grains, In my personal 1851 i use 25grains>Ball>BoreButter
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No you don't need to use wads. They do help keep the bore lubed however. If you shoot the recommended 25gr load you shouldn't need a wad, less and you may. If you. Shoot 30 or 35gr you definately won't need them.
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Yes, always use a revolver wad over the powder before you load the ball.
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No. You don't HAVE TO. But you may WANT TO, knowing that it assists in wiping the chamber wall of black powder traces into the load. I have faith that this is a step in preventing a possible chain fire.
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