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PIETTA Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Black Powder Revolver

Although designated as a Navy revolver, the Model 1851 saw heavy use among Army officers who favored .44-caliber firepower. It was constructed of brass because of the South's limited supply of steel. Patterned after the original, the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Black Powder Revolver features a brass trigger guard and frame, blued octagonal barrel, blued cylinder and walnut grips. Spare cylinder (sold separately) provides quick reloads. Barrel length: 7.5”. OAL: 13.25”. Wt: 2.625 lbs.
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Are the frames the same size in 36 or 44 caliber ?

I am wondering if I could change the barrel and cylinder of a 36 caliber with a 44 caliber ? This way I only have one frame that uses both calibers. Anyone, is this possible ? Or are the frames different sizes ? Thank you for your time, Johnny
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086, is singificantly different than the same revolver in .36. The 2 calibers are do not have interchangeable parts.
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The chamber has to match the size of the barrel too... so no this will not work.
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NO!!!! The Cylinder of the 36 cal is to Small for the frame of the 44! I suggest that You Use what You Have!
Learn To Be a Gunsmith! Calibrate the Cylinders' and
You will see! Don't play with Dynomite!!. We all Wan't
You to stay Around! Your Shooting Friend! db.
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no, the 44 cal has a rebated cylinder and the 36 does not. If you want to shoot 36 and 44, buy two guns.
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What is the easiest way to get the pin out for takedown?

I watched videos on youtube and they just punched it out. I was banging it with a mallet and then the back end of a screwdriver but it would not budge. I was afraid I would break the gun.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item: IK-210086, will be difficult to take apart the first few times. Use a non marring non metalic punch to assist in the take down.
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I hold the gun firmly in both hands place both thumbs on the pin and press till the little clip gives then just pull it out from the left side
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take screw out. and use blunt tool to push out pin.gun is made very good and tight.
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I use a small hard rubber hammer-mallet. Works perfectly.
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Do you have to cover each ball in the cylinder with bore butter before shooting?

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When reloading the cylinder on the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086, it is necessary to seal every chamber with bore butter before shooting to guard against ignition of any of the chambers from sparks that might be released when firing the gun. This is a very important safety issue.
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Long ago when I first began shooting Cap and Ball revolvers, everyone claimed that it was necessary to cover the seated balls in the chambers with grease to prevent chainfires. Crisco was the grease of choice at the time. Consider that if the ball you seat is tight enough to shave off a ring of lead as you seat it, there will be no lead-to-chamber wall gap that would allow a spark to set off an adjacent chamber.

Since then it has been suggested that loose fitting caps on a nipple allow flashover from nipple to nipple, causing the chainfire. Whenever you hear a shooter telling about how its' necessary for them to pinch a loose (too big) cap to prevent it from falling off, they're a prime candidate for flashover/chainfires.

Bore Butter is better suited for use as a patch lube for shooting patched round balls in a muzzle loading rifle.

A better solution is to use lubed felt wads between powder and ball. If you plan to be out on a warm day carrying your revolver loaded, consider first warming up the felt wads and pressing them between paper towels to remove excess lube that could otherwise work into the powder load when compressed.

I use either the felt wads, or more often a square of toilet paper that has been folded up around a tiny dab of beef tallow + beeswax ball lube mixture. I pack it over the powder with the ball ram, and then seat the ball.

It doesn't take much lube to be effective, and using too much of it will lead to quicker fouling build-up.
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Not if you're using lubed wads. If you are simply charging the cylinder and seating the ball then yes...you will need to put bore butter (I personally use Crisco, it's a heck of a lot cheaper).
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You do not have to. However with either bore butter and/or crisco covering the ball, you are eliminating the risk of chain fire. Even with a very tight fit of the ball sitting in the cylinder, there is no guarantee that a chain fire will not occur if bore butter/Crisco is not used.
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Is the cylinder for the Pietta 1851 Navy .44 interchangable with the Pietta 1858 New Army .44?

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The cylinder for a Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver (210086) in not interchangable with any other models. Cabela's offers spare cylinders for the the Pietta 1858 New Army .44.

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/sear...
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No, the 51 will fit the 1860 but not the 58 .The 58 is a remington replica the 51 and 60 are colt replicas
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No-They are different and they both use a different set of notches in the chamber to rotate them.
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NO! The Cylinders' are of different tapered sizes'! db.
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Triple 7 Fouling

I've been using 777 3f and my 1851, after just two loads, the cylinder won't freely rotate anymore. I'm forced to constantly lube between loads to ensure good action. Just wondering if this is normal for BP or if it is perticular to 777.
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I began shooting real black powder over 45 years ago & just recently got some 777 to compare with Pyrodex & American Pioneer Powders.

In general, Black Powder fouls quicker than any of the substitutes. I've fired about 100 rounds each of Pyrodex, American Pioneer & also 777 thru a .36 Remington without any need to clean in order to maintain function.

I've found the biggest contributing factor to fouling build-up is the use of too much ball lube. It's been trendy for the past several decades or more to recommend gooping up the cylinders with grease after seating bullets in order to supposedly eliminate flashover (firing an adjacent cylinder before it comes into battery). I can't find any historical reference to this precautionary procedure & an old-timer at my range 40 years ago said he never greased the cylinder as a kid.

With all this in mind, a light application of the proper ball lube is necessary, but the composition of it seems most critical. Petroleum-based lubes & bearing grease seem to foul much quicker, although paraffin is said to be an exception. I've used either plain Crisco, or various mixtures of tallow, crisco & beeswax with much cleaner results.

If you use the pre-lubed felt wads, you can eliminate need for ball lube altogether, or simply put a paper wad over your powder charge in each cylinder, add a little lube, and then seat your balls. Less lube accumulation will attract & hold less fouling & should extend your range time between any necessary cleanings.

You can make a lifetime supply of paper wads - for .44 cal, 1/2 sheet of toilet paper folded first into a square, then fold all corners inward, seat over the powder charge with a tapered dowel. Add a little grease, and then seat the bullet.
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I have been using Pyrodex Triple F and have had no problems other than an occasional cap hanging up after firing.
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It may be the 777. I shot strictly Goex Pinacle, and had no issues. I coated the cylinder pin, or arbor, with TC Bore Butter prior to shooting, and I put about 75 rounds through it.
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Triple 777 Is NOT The Corect Propellant for this Reproduction!. Do You Wan't to Blow Up Youre Gun?
This Is a Brass Frame Reproduction for Black Powder
ONLY or the equivalent FFg Pyrodex! You are lucky
that The Cylinder has not Exploded! Get Pyrodex!.
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Hodgdon does not recommend the use of 777 in brass-framed revolvers. 25 grains of Pyrodex P is considered max for a brass frame. on my 1851 it starts getting stiff around 6 cylinders shot but still revolves fine so something has to be wrong for sure. i would make sure nothing is bent first and make sure the spent percussion caps are not getting stuck in the action.
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Can I use HODGDON .44 CALIBER REVOLVER PELLETS

Can I use HODGDON .44 CALIBER REVOLVER PELLETS in the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate .44 Cal. Revolver
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With the brass models you might want to stay away from the pellets as they are 30 grain,the manufacture suggests to use no more than 25 grain.It would probably be ok but not every time.To be certain check your manual.
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Pyrodex® .44/.45 Caliber 30-Grain Pellets Item # IK-213724 can be used in any .44 or .45 black powder pistol which can handle 30 grain loads. Please check the owners manual to verify the max load the pistol can handle. Do not use rifle pellets in a revolver.
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only the 30gr. ones
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I Suggest Using Only Cabela's 451 or 454 Swaged
Black Powder ROUND Balls'! Pellets' tend to ruin the Barrel!. db.
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You can but the brass frame will loosen up and wear faster because the pellets are 30 grain loads, max for a brass frame 1851 is 25 grains
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What accessories do I need?

This will be my first black powder gun. Other than the obvious (balls, caps, powder, and wads) what other accessories do I need? How about cleaning accessories including oil and lube? Is there a list of item numbers I could look up so I may order everthing at once. Thanks
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For the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086, the best accessories I recommend would be the Cabela's Black-Powder Revolver Starter Kit, item # IK-216053 and the Cabela's Black-Powder Field Cleaning Kit, item # IK-216136.
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Soap and water (simply green is excellent) and any good gun oil is all you need besides elbow grease.
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nipple wrench and pick and i clean with hot soapy water and dry it then use sovent and spray it with light coat gun oil check in 3or 4 days if need wipe with oil again
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You need a bag full of stuff..
Nipple wrench
cleaning kit for Black Powder
Cleaning patches
Rags
Nipple pick
Revolver capper
Screwdrivers that fit each screw on the gun, for when a cap get all jammed up in the works and you have to get it out.
Maybe Bore Butter..I prefer to use a lubed wad and tight ball..the bore butter on the 1851 seems to just gunk up the wedge a lot faster making it a pain to get out after 30 rounds or so.. some may argue but you can try it and make your own decision on that issue..
Can of compressed air is handy to have in the bag..not going to explain further but you will find yourself using it a lot if its in the bag...
Some Rem Oil or similar oil to oil things up after a quick field cleaning.. some cleaners do both.. try several methods and use what you like best..
A water proof ammo box is nice to keep your caps and powder in when the weather is moist..(that kind of depends on where you live.)
Spare cylinders are handy.
A loading stand is like a 3rd hand when loading.
And I bring a .22 cal revolver with me to the range..( that's so I can keep shooting when I know the next cease fire will be sooner than I can load up another go around in the Black Powder gun ) ^_^
You will probably find more gadgets and tools you like as you get into it...just have to keep trying new things until you get YOUR method and system dialed in ....
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Powder horn (or some such small powder holder)
powder measure
Capper (option device to assist in placing percussion caps)
Nipple wrench (to remove percussion cap nipples to aid in cleaning)
A 44 calibre pistol cleaning kit
Windex (this is used to stop the corrosive black powder salts from rusting the gun)
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Can Pyrodex Select be used in the PM 1851?

I also have RS. Would that work?
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Pyrodex Select is not suitable for use in blackpowder revolvers. You would need to go with Pyrodex P powder.
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Yes, Pryodex is fine. AAA, about 15 -20 grains. Use lighter loads on brass frames.
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Pyrodex in the round cans .44/.45 tablets work the best. and no R/S is for rifle or shotgun, you'll need the powder with the P on it and a Green lable
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Pistol powder is granulated for pistols so it is best to use PPP black powder or a black powder substitute like Pyrodex or Tripple 7. Cabela's sells both. You want pistol powder, see the drop down menu on their web-site.
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3F black powder is the best, with Pyrodex P equally good. The RS Pyrodex is equivalent to 2F Black powder. It is coarser, with burn characteristics better suited to larger bore rifles, muskets & muzzleloading shotguns.

Sure, it will work if it's the only powder you have, but I'd consider any quantity of 2F powder the proper rationale to go buy a big bore rifle or musket to use it in ...

Pyrodex select, as I recall is intended more for in-line muzzleloader use & the extra cost isn't justified over that of a better performing pound can of Pyrodex P.
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PYRODEX P ONLY = TO 28g of powder !
otherwise Youre 44 caliber may be damaged!
Not to mention YOU! db.
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I have a pair of the brass frames and have always used .454 so they seat tighter. Would I gain any benefit by using .451 balls?

Would a .457 be too snug?I most commonly use between 20 and 25 grain loads to avoid the revolvers evently shooting loose due to brass frame. Has anyone ever had this to happen. I have popped once or twice 30 and 35 grains...WOW..dont do that often...LOL
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Use the size that is stamped on the barrel of the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver. Any other size is not recomended.
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I own one of these snazzy revolvers and the .451 balls shoot splendidly from it. If .451 balls seat well enough to seal the chambers and don't fall out, use them. No more than 25 gr powder should ever be loaded into those brass framed revolvers. If the .451 balls are loose, then I would give the nod to the .454s, and then pose the same scenario as in my first sentence.
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as long as 451 shaves the little ring of lead thats what i would use it will lenthen the life of ur brass frame pistols im thinking 457 will be really tight but would probably work thats going to be real hard on ur loading lever yes ive killed several of these pistols over the years with the brass frames by loading them with too much powder i killed one the first time i fired it it chain fired n both rounds on both sides of the barrel n the round in line all went off at the same time so seal it good n make sure caps are pinched a bit so they dount pop off when fireing thats what caused it to happen to me scared the out of me too
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Seating the ball should shave a very fine perfect lead ring off the ball. This indicates a good seal to help prevent cross fires. If it goes in too hard and shaves alot of lead off the ball it will make for higher pressures and probably a more flattened ball. Push too hard to load and squish ball. Harder on loading lever also. You kinda got to experiment with different size balls for each gun, though I think I use the .451 in most of my .44's.
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.451 ball seats nicely leaving a perfect shaving around the cylinder. .457 will be too snug.
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I have found that it shoots better and easier to load with the .451 balls. Its just the little bit of lead that is shaved off when pressing the ball in, that hold it in place
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Percussion Caps

I am new to black powder pistols. I just purchased the 1851 .44. Which percussion cap do I use no 11 or no 10? The manual does not say.
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We suggest using the #10 percussion cap with the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver.
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I use the Remington No. 10's with no problem at all.
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I just bought the same gun. CCI #10's go on snug, but seem to stay put. Most say the #11's need to be pinched. Since chainfire seems more likely from the back through a missing cap than the front to me, tighter is OK with me.
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Remington #10 caps fit my 1851 Navy 44 just fine. If you crimp them just slightly they will go on and stay on.
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Remington #10 only. I find the CCIs don't fit the nipples that came with my 1851 Rebel Colt clone.
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10 fits better a little tighter but 11 will work fine. I use both.
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To add to my earlier question, what are the min. and max. charges for the 1851 Navy .44 and are these guns suitable for any type of hunting?

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There is not a minimum load for the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver but, the maximum is 25 grains of FFFG powder or equivalent. The pistol does provide enough knockdown for small to medium game but, you will want to check your local regulations on firearm restrictions before you attempt to hunt with it.
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you better know you can.I have taken seven deer with average range from 20 to 42 yards out max.But you must put some time on the range.It shoots 2in high and 1in to the left at 25 yards and you got to have a steady hand.So put some time on the range and get to know your target
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Max recommended charge is 25 grains. This is due to the brass frame of the pistol.
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Min loose powder charge 15 grains for simple target practice and accuracy up to 30 for shooting game. Can be used to hunt with very accurate pistol with quite a bit of power. You will be surprised. However higher amounts of use with the larger powder charges will wear out brass framed revolvers quicker. If you plan on shooting them every so often and at the excellent price they sell for I wouldn't worry about it for they will last a long time as long time just keep them clean.
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30-40 grains do well, I just eyeball mine to about 3/4.
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Min FFg pyrodex 25g to FFg 35g Pyrodex !
You Can Hunt with this item ! "BUT" For a Better Kill
I would advise a 50 Caliber long gun from Cabela's!
Unless You Wan't to chase a wounded animal!. db.
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Does this gun have a rifled barrel

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Yes these pistols have a rifled barrel with a 1 in 36 rate of twist.
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Absolultely. Nice tight rifling. It shoots better than some modern handguns. You have to find the right load for you. I shoot .451 swagged Hornaday balls with a lubed wad between them and 22 grains of Tripple 7.
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The barrel is rifled. It shoots better than some modern firearms and is a blast to shoot. Use #10 Remington caps and .451 swagged balls to start with and have a great time.
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Yes. This makes the pistol very accurate at 25 yards. I have yet to test at further ranges.
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yes but straight lines inside not a spiral and they sure do shoot straight.
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Shine a light into the bore and you'll see the lands & grooves or in other words - yes.
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Is the frame brass, or just the trigger guard?

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Both the trigger guard and the frame are brass on the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver.
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The frame is brass and that means you should not try to convert this to cartridges.
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The frame is also brass.
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Frame.
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The description only mentions a brass trigger guard, but the picture shows a brass frame.

Another clue is the "Confederate" model is a good indicator of brass frames, since the story goes that they were short on iron used for frame construction - historical accuracy sometimes not withstanding.

Keep loads of Black Powder or Pyrodex to the 18-21 grain range & the gun should last nearly forever.
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Brass Frame And Trigger Guard! BOTH!
But that won't Effect The Use of The Item!.
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black powder firearms

how many times can you shoot one before having to clean it
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver should be cleaned at a minimum after shooting 10 complete cylinder reloads. If shooting less than that number of shots, it should be cleaned at the end of each shooting session.
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I usally shoot 6 rounds (1 chamber full) then run a wet patch down. this only takes a second and helps keep your shooting accurate,.you can go more say 2 chambers full but one push with the rod and a patch and your good.
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Black powder will corrode and rust your firearm if you don't clean it after each shooting session. I had to clean mine after every 18-24 rounds or the cylinder would get gummed up and not turn. By that point the pistol is very hard to take apart and the parts almost have to be forced to separate.
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Depends on powder make,but 6-7 is a good rule. Do not forget to clean nipples!, a needle works fine,just finish with a small brass brush.
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I can shoot mine all day without any real cleaning. I remove the cylinder to reload & just wipe off the cylinder face in the course of handling. I've gone over a tin of caps (100+ rounds) without needing to clean.

The largest contributing factor to crud build up that eventually causes a revolver to seize up is the use of too much ball lubricant.

Used to be that the "experts" said it was mandatory to fill up the chambers around seated bullets with bullet lube. When fired, all that goop blows out around the frame & onto/into the cylinder pin, attracting & holding powder residue. If you use too much or the wrong stuff, you can seize up within as few as 30 rounds.

Best lubes are organic & not petroleum based. F'r instance, a little Crisco on the bottom side of a round ball then seated over a wad atop the powder will eliminate the need for any further gooping up the cylinder. I use a mixture of tallow & beeswax & can shoot all day without problems. The cause of chain-fires appears to be actually due to loosely-fitting caps than with no lube filling the cylinders.

Felt "Wonder- wads" work great & eliminate the need for additional lube. I use a 2 ply piece of TP compressed over the powder, than a ball very lightly lubed, seated over that.

I disassemble & completely clean all black powder pistols after returning home from the range.
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Black powder firearms need to be cleaned promptly after firing because black powder and substitutes like Pyrodex will attract moisture and cause rust in a very short time. Failure to clean a black powder firearm after firing can render the firearm useless over a very short period of time (just a few days). The first thing I do when I get home after shooting in a cowboy match is clean my black powder firearms. Hot, soapy water works very well. Follow with a thorough drying and lubrication.
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Conical bullet

Can you use a conical bullet in this revolver? Anybody who has done so?
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item: IK-210086, can use conical bullets designed for use in black powder revolvers.
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I personally have not put conical bullets in my revolver, But I know people who have. You have to use slightly less powder in order to make the conical fit, and can be difficult to seal the chamber correctly. I would recommend sticking with round balls.
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I have been unable to do so. the projectile loading gap forward of the cylinder was too small to accommodate the .44 bullets I tried to use. It might be possible to load the cylinder with them separately and then re-insert the cylinder; but I have been unable to do so
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Yes, I shoot .451 conical bullets with no problems.
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I've cast .36 conical bullets when I was a kid & actually still have some left. They never worked particularly well in my Dad's 1861 Navy. I tried them in my 1858 Remington .36 & they just don't seem to be as accurate as the round balls.

I recently got a Colt Dragoon & some original loads using conicals were referenced. Reading around some of the black powder forums, I've gotten mixed results; most folks say the accuracy is better with roundballs, and very few seem to prefer the conicals. Those who do, use them with heavier charges of powder - somewhere around 41 gr. in the larger capacity Dragoon.

I tried a Lee .456" conical mold, since the base is supposed to be a smaller diameter, but they wouldn't seat.

Overall, the biggest problem with conicals is that, unless you find one sized so that the base hand-presses into the cylinder, it won't seat straight & accuracy will suffer. I considered the smaller Lee conical mold, but it doesn't seem to be of any advantage for my type of shooting to be worth using extra lead to cast a larger bullet than the roundball I have good results with now.
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You Can, But Conicals' will disfigure as compressed into cylinder! I would Not Recomend this! db.
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What size?

OK now I am confused I just got the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver I ordered and I like very much yet it says simply ".44 call" on the barrel not what size ball to use. The Chibela's instruction manual says use .451 balls and the Elli Pietta instruction manual says use .454 balls.
So which is it? I need to know because I am going to order a mold for it.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK:210086, can use either the .451 or .454 diameter ball. Using the .454 diameter ball will seal the cylinder more efficiently than a .451 diameter ball.
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the balls the revolver uses are actually .45 caliber, but when they are rammed into the cylinder, roughly a 1mm. ring of lead will be trimmed off. This ensures a tight-fitting ball in the cylinder and prevents shifting of the projectile. either the .451 or the .454 balls will work since they are both .45 caliber. .454 balls are, however, slightly larger. Very slightly, mind you
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I use 454 I have the same gun and a 1858 and 1861 all use 454 balls with # 10 percussion caps. clean it well when you think you have clean it again oil it with knight oil from modern muzzel loaders
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Both Pietta and Uberti recommend a .454" ball. The .451" balls seem to work OK, but a little larger ball will fit tighter & give you better accuracy.

The stamp on the side says .44 caliber, because, ultimately .44 cal is what exits the muzzle.

You start out with a .454" ball, seat it into the cylinder. A small ring of lead shaves off, and the ball is reduced by a few thousandths of an inch. When you fire the loaded chamber, the ball is propelled forward, out of the cylinder & into the forcing cone, which further swages down the ball diameter. It is further reduced a little as soon as it engages the rifling to somewhere around .443-.449" depending on barrel & manufacturer.

A Lee .454" mold is what I use & I'm happy with it.
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u can use both but the .454 is better if u hunt with it more chamber psi
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The revolver I purchased last year is now completely frozen up. It was cleaned well after last use. Anything I can do?

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If your Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086. is "frozen up" the best course would be to take the revolver to a qualified gunsmith to have it evaluated.
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soak in marvel mystery oil for a week then using channel locks and protective cloth (a vise if you have one)start working patrs loose starting with getting the lock pin out. when you put it away u neded to oil with knight oil with rust inhibitor. after you get it apart youll need to wire bruch everything to clean it
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In addition to the other answers I would check to make sure a fired percussion cap did not wedge it's self between the cylinder and the frame.
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I had the same thing happen when I left mine in a fishing bag for 3 weeks(stupid move) SOAK it in any good rust solvent and walk away for a day. Here comes the fun part(not). If you have an octogon barrel,lossen screw and remove wedge,take a 2x4 about 8 in long,put the edge on an octagon point and pound off barrel. It will not hurt anything,but use either brass or wood ! Next, pull hammer back and do the same thing with the cylinder,mine took a lot of hits but no damage to pistol. Good luck !
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Last Year??! You're overdue to go buy another - consider one of the Remington varieties.

While you're waiting for that Remington to arrive, completely disassemble your Colt - look for either a spent & squished percussion cap or some fragments. 99% of the time, it's just that pesky cap that falls in & locks up the entire action.

So, you're on the right track - get a second percussion cap revolver so you won't have to waste precious time at the range disassembling the froze-up one. You can just reach into the range bag & pull out your back-up.

40 years ago, my Dad brought home an 1861 Colt Navy & it quickly became MY job to disassemble, clean & reassemble it. Decades later, after finding a Remington on sale at Cabelas, I've spent more time shooting it - no problems with spent primers jamming it, or the other Remingtons that subsequently arrived on my doorstep.

I recently got another Colt and was able to jam it up right away.

Sometimes you can turn it upside down, work the hammer a little, shake it and the cap piece falls out, but usually removing the trigger guard/grip/backstrap is required to locate & remove the offending impediment.
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You Stated Purchased Last Year? Cleaned well after last use? Question= Cleaned well after Every Use?
Answer= Take The Barrel off, remove Cylinder , soak
all in soap water= dish liquid for several day's!
use cabela's cleaning brushe's ,oil the entire gun.
let set for several day's / or just soak entire gun in soap
water. then follow directions' above!. If This Reproduction was overloaded with too much powder it
will swell up causing it to FREEZE UP! db.
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What size caps are used for the 1851 Navy?

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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item # IK-210086, uses #10 percussion caps.
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I found that #10 fit mine the best.
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#10 percussion caps fit nice and snug and won't fall off.
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I have used both CCI and Remington caps in #10 and #11. All worked fine although the 11's seemed a little loose.
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Use # 10 Caps'! db.
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What is the maximum powder load (grains) for this revolver

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While you can physically load up to around 35 grains of powder & the gun will be safe to fire with it, lighter loads are recommended for brass frame revolvers, especially Colts. When you disassemble your revolver, note the rear portion of the cylinder & where it bears up against a recess in the frame. When firing consistently heavy powder charges, recoil will cause the steel cylinder to pound into the softer brass frame. This will cause deformation of the frame. Some people contend that the frame "stretches", while actually the cylinder hammers or peens the frame. The results are an increased cylinder gap, or more noticeable free play of the cylinder within the frame.

Use between 15 - 20 grains of either Pyrodex P or 3F black powder, and with reasonable care & cleaning, your revolver will last a lifetime. You'll discover that whatever heavy loads you do fire, aren't all that accurate, your optimum precision will be found somewhere within that 15-20 grain range.

Loads within this powder range will work best with either paper or felt wad between powder & ball to slightly compress the powder & eliminate excess air in the chamber.
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The maximum load the manufacturer recommends for the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item # IK-210086, is 25 grains of fffg powder.
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The pamphlet that comes with the gun from the manufacturer states not to use more than 35gr. Cabela's only recommends 25gr.
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The Pietta book say's 28 grains of Pyrodex max. and suggested 12-15 grains fffg average load. This should give you some room to work out the best load for accuracy and fun.
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Judging from the info supplied by Pietta with the revolver, yoou shoulddn't load more than 25 gr FFFg black powder. It will handle larger charges, but the brass frame wont last as long and can become distorted.
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35gr. but i find 30 and 32 to work the best
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Can petroleum based solvents like Outers Nitro Solvent, be used to clean this pistol without damaging it?

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The Outers Nitro Solvent may be used on the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver item number IK-210086 without damaging it.
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You could use any petro-based cleaner without any damage, but keep in mind that it was made as a powder solvent for nitrocellulose-based powders.

Black powder & it's combustion byproducts are all water based. A sinkful of hot soapy water is much cheaper and effective to clean your black powder revolver than Hoppes.

Best to disassemble the revolver; everything goes into the hot, soapy water except the grips. I pre-treat all parts with Windex, let it sit in the sink for a few minutes, then go on to using hot soapy water and a toothbrush. Consider getting one of those jars of jewelery-cleaner that have the little basket inside - they're ideal to put all those loose screws, nipples, trigger, hand & bolt and all small parts into to avoid going down the drain.

Toothbrush with a little more dish detergent on it and a nylon bristle brush will clean it all. Follow up with a patch down the bore & chambers. Drain, then rinse with the hottest water you have. Drain, shake off parts & place on a folded towel - spray down with WD-40 to displace moisture, then wipe dry before oiling all parts with CLP, or your favorite gun oil before reassembly.

Be sure to have a set of properly fitting screwdrivers for disassembly & reassembly.

Q-tips are your friend - as long as you remove any residual lint afterward.
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NO!
Use hot soapy water and a toothbrush. The water will evaporate quickly, and you can rub on some Bore Butter.
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yes you can but Mix 1/3 Murphy's oil soap, 1/3 Denatured Alchohol and 1/3 Hydrogen peroxide in a dark bottle and shake.

Soak a patch, run it thru your bore, let it sit for a few minutes and follow with a couple dry patches. Last run an oily patch thru to prevent rust.

This stuff literally melts black powder fouling away. it's very cheap to make and works better than any of the commercial stuff I have tried.
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yes but it may stain the brass
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Petroleum based solvents' are "NOT" Recomended!
Petroleum seep's into Places that You cannot Dry Out!
They are made for exactly What You Stated "NITRO"
These Reproduction's are not made for Nitro!.
If You Use Petroleum Based Solvents' Your Pietta
1851 Confederate Navy. 44 Caliber Revolver May
Chainfire from the Petroleum Gasses' that Linger in
all the parts' that it seeped into! why not use Cabela's
BLACK POWDER SOLVENT!??? db.
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