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PIETTA Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver

Patterned after the original made with a brass frame to conserve the South’s limited supplies of steel. Although designated as a Navy pistol, it saw heavy use among Army officers who favored .44-caliber firepower. It features a blued octagonal barrel; plain blued cylinder; tough, attractive walnut grips; and brass trigger guard. Reloads quickly with a spare cylinder (sold separately).  Barrel length: 7-1/2". Overall length: 13-1/4". Weight: 2 lbs., 9 oz.
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What accessories do I need?

This will be my first black powder gun. Other than the obvious (balls, caps, powder, and wads) what other accessories do I need? How about cleaning accessories including oil and lube? Is there a list of item numbers I could look up so I may order everthing at once. Thanks
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For the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086, the best accessories I recommend would be the Cabela's Black-Powder Revolver Starter Kit, item # IK-216053 and the Cabela's Black-Powder Field Cleaning Kit, item # IK-216136.
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Soap and water (simply green is excellent) and any good gun oil is all you need besides elbow grease.
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Powder horn (or some such small powder holder)
powder measure
Capper (option device to assist in placing percussion caps)
Nipple wrench (to remove percussion cap nipples to aid in cleaning)
A 44 calibre pistol cleaning kit
Windex (this is used to stop the corrosive black powder salts from rusting the gun)
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nipple wrench and pick and i clean with hot soapy water and dry it then use sovent and spray it with light coat gun oil check in 3or 4 days if need wipe with oil again
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You need a bag full of stuff..
Nipple wrench
cleaning kit for Black Powder
Cleaning patches
Rags
Nipple pick
Revolver capper
Screwdrivers that fit each screw on the gun, for when a cap get all jammed up in the works and you have to get it out.
Maybe Bore Butter..I prefer to use a lubed wad and tight ball..the bore butter on the 1851 seems to just gunk up the wedge a lot faster making it a pain to get out after 30 rounds or so.. some may argue but you can try it and make your own decision on that issue..
Can of compressed air is handy to have in the bag..not going to explain further but you will find yourself using it a lot if its in the bag...
Some Rem Oil or similar oil to oil things up after a quick field cleaning.. some cleaners do both.. try several methods and use what you like best..
A water proof ammo box is nice to keep your caps and powder in when the weather is moist..(that kind of depends on where you live.)
Spare cylinders are handy.
A loading stand is like a 3rd hand when loading.
And I bring a .22 cal revolver with me to the range..( that's so I can keep shooting when I know the next cease fire will be sooner than I can load up another go around in the Black Powder gun ) ^_^
You will probably find more gadgets and tools you like as you get into it...just have to keep trying new things until you get YOUR method and system dialed in ....
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Can I use HODGDON .44 CALIBER REVOLVER PELLETS

Can I use HODGDON .44 CALIBER REVOLVER PELLETS in the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate .44 Cal. Revolver
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With the brass models you might want to stay away from the pellets as they are 30 grain,the manufacture suggests to use no more than 25 grain.It would probably be ok but not every time.To be certain check your manual.
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only the 30gr. ones
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Pyrodex® .44/.45 Caliber 30-Grain Pellets Item # IK-213724 can be used in any .44 or .45 black powder pistol which can handle 30 grain loads. Please check the owners manual to verify the max load the pistol can handle. Do not use rifle pellets in a revolver.
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I Suggest Using Only Cabela's 451 or 454 Swaged
Black Powder ROUND Balls'! Pellets' tend to ruin the Barrel!. db.
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You can but the brass frame will loosen up and wear faster because the pellets are 30 grain loads, max for a brass frame 1851 is 25 grains
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Is the cylinder for the Pietta 1851 Navy .44 interchangable with the Pietta 1858 New Army .44?

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No, the 51 will fit the 1860 but not the 58 .The 58 is a remington replica the 51 and 60 are colt replicas
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no
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No-They are different and they both use a different set of notches in the chamber to rotate them.
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The cylinder for a Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver (210086) in not interchangable with any other models. Cabela's offers spare cylinders for the the Pietta 1858 New Army .44.

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/sear...
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NO! The Cylinders' are of different tapered sizes'! db.
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Can you shoot round silver .454 balls with this?

Can you shoot .454 round balls made of silver with this pistol?
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item #IK-210086, is designed only to use lead rounds. Please view instruction manual for more information.
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I would not recommend trying it as silver is a much harder metal than the soft lead they use for revolver round balls or "conicals". Using silver could damage the cylinder and possibly void the warranty.
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load it light brass frame cant handle heavy loads
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Yes you can fire .454 lead, or silver out of the revolver. I personally have not used silver (only .454 lead), but a guy at the range has and states it works wonderfully.
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If you're looking to shoot vampires, you can shoot silver balls. Otherwise, you'll need to shoot lead balls. .454 is correct for Army revolvers.
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Is the frame brass, or just the trigger guard?

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The frame is brass and that means you should not try to convert this to cartridges.
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The frame is also brass.
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Both the trigger guard and the frame are brass on the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver.
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The description only mentions a brass trigger guard, but the picture shows a brass frame.

Another clue is the "Confederate" model is a good indicator of brass frames, since the story goes that they were short on iron used for frame construction - historical accuracy sometimes not withstanding.

Keep loads of Black Powder or Pyrodex to the 18-21 grain range & the gun should last nearly forever.
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Frame.
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Brass Frame And Trigger Guard! BOTH!
But that won't Effect The Use of The Item!.
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black powder firearms

how many times can you shoot one before having to clean it
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I usally shoot 6 rounds (1 chamber full) then run a wet patch down. this only takes a second and helps keep your shooting accurate,.you can go more say 2 chambers full but one push with the rod and a patch and your good.
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Black powder will corrode and rust your firearm if you don't clean it after each shooting session. I had to clean mine after every 18-24 rounds or the cylinder would get gummed up and not turn. By that point the pistol is very hard to take apart and the parts almost have to be forced to separate.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver should be cleaned at a minimum after shooting 10 complete cylinder reloads. If shooting less than that number of shots, it should be cleaned at the end of each shooting session.
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I can shoot mine all day without any real cleaning. I remove the cylinder to reload & just wipe off the cylinder face in the course of handling. I've gone over a tin of caps (100+ rounds) without needing to clean.

The largest contributing factor to crud build up that eventually causes a revolver to seize up is the use of too much ball lubricant.

Used to be that the "experts" said it was mandatory to fill up the chambers around seated bullets with bullet lube. When fired, all that goop blows out around the frame & onto/into the cylinder pin, attracting & holding powder residue. If you use too much or the wrong stuff, you can seize up within as few as 30 rounds.

Best lubes are organic & not petroleum based. F'r instance, a little Crisco on the bottom side of a round ball then seated over a wad atop the powder will eliminate the need for any further gooping up the cylinder. I use a mixture of tallow & beeswax & can shoot all day without problems. The cause of chain-fires appears to be actually due to loosely-fitting caps than with no lube filling the cylinders.

Felt "Wonder- wads" work great & eliminate the need for additional lube. I use a 2 ply piece of TP compressed over the powder, than a ball very lightly lubed, seated over that.

I disassemble & completely clean all black powder pistols after returning home from the range.
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Depends on powder make,but 6-7 is a good rule. Do not forget to clean nipples!, a needle works fine,just finish with a small brass brush.
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Black powder firearms need to be cleaned promptly after firing because black powder and substitutes like Pyrodex will attract moisture and cause rust in a very short time. Failure to clean a black powder firearm after firing can render the firearm useless over a very short period of time (just a few days). The first thing I do when I get home after shooting in a cowboy match is clean my black powder firearms. Hot, soapy water works very well. Follow with a thorough drying and lubrication.
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Is it normal to have some play in the cylinder and the frame of this gun?

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Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item: IK-210086, should have very little play in the cylinder.
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There really should not be any end play or side play. If there is you need to have it checked out to see if there is any problem with the arbor .
I have shot mine for 2.5 years and there is no play to speak of. Shoot no more than the recommended amount of tripple 7 or black powder and you should be fine. I like 22 grains of Tripple 7 behind a lubed wad and .451 ball #10 Remington caps on my Reb .44.
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If the gun was a second hand buy dont shoot it. The brass may have been stressed if someone loaded to much powder. Also make sure all the screws are tight. As for the cylinder there should be very little play. If this is a second hand buy check ur blast shield to make sure theres no marks in it where the cylinder would have peened against it. If its a new gun just send it back.
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That Depends' on "if the gun is in Cocked position" or
How it has been treated? Such as How many times' it has been taken apart? , Has it been overloaded with too
much Powder, and has it been used as a Hammer? ,
Steel Frame or Brass Frame?. Your Question is not
complete? How old is this Gun?, And YES there is play
in these guns' to a very small amount! But How much play?, If it is cocked and the cylinder moves' side to side
someone has spun the Cylinder too many times!.
NEVER SPIN A CYLINDER OF ANY GUN! db.
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Normally there is some slack in the cylinder when the revolver is uncocked, When the hammer is fully cocked the slack should come out. At least thats what mine does.
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i would say no.mine is tight
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Can Pyrodex Select be used in the PM 1851?

I also have RS. Would that work?
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Yes, Pryodex is fine. AAA, about 15 -20 grains. Use lighter loads on brass frames.
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Pyrodex Select is not suitable for use in blackpowder revolvers. You would need to go with Pyrodex P powder.
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Pyrodex in the round cans .44/.45 tablets work the best. and no R/S is for rifle or shotgun, you'll need the powder with the P on it and a Green lable
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Pistol powder is granulated for pistols so it is best to use PPP black powder or a black powder substitute like Pyrodex or Tripple 7. Cabela's sells both. You want pistol powder, see the drop down menu on their web-site.
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3F black powder is the best, with Pyrodex P equally good. The RS Pyrodex is equivalent to 2F Black powder. It is coarser, with burn characteristics better suited to larger bore rifles, muskets & muzzleloading shotguns.

Sure, it will work if it's the only powder you have, but I'd consider any quantity of 2F powder the proper rationale to go buy a big bore rifle or musket to use it in ...

Pyrodex select, as I recall is intended more for in-line muzzleloader use & the extra cost isn't justified over that of a better performing pound can of Pyrodex P.
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PYRODEX P ONLY = TO 28g of powder !
otherwise Youre 44 caliber may be damaged!
Not to mention YOU! db.
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Percussion Caps

I am new to black powder pistols. I just purchased the 1851 .44. Which percussion cap do I use no 11 or no 10? The manual does not say.
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I just bought the same gun. CCI #10's go on snug, but seem to stay put. Most say the #11's need to be pinched. Since chainfire seems more likely from the back through a missing cap than the front to me, tighter is OK with me.
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We suggest using the #10 percussion cap with the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver.
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I use the Remington No. 10's with no problem at all.
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Remington #10 only. I find the CCIs don't fit the nipples that came with my 1851 Rebel Colt clone.
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Remington #10 caps fit my 1851 Navy 44 just fine. If you crimp them just slightly they will go on and stay on.
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10 fits better a little tighter but 11 will work fine. I use both.
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To add to my earlier question, what are the min. and max. charges for the 1851 Navy .44 and are these guns suitable for any type of hunting?

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There is not a minimum load for the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver but, the maximum is 25 grains of FFFG powder or equivalent. The pistol does provide enough knockdown for small to medium game but, you will want to check your local regulations on firearm restrictions before you attempt to hunt with it.
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you better know you can.I have taken seven deer with average range from 20 to 42 yards out max.But you must put some time on the range.It shoots 2in high and 1in to the left at 25 yards and you got to have a steady hand.So put some time on the range and get to know your target
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Min loose powder charge 15 grains for simple target practice and accuracy up to 30 for shooting game. Can be used to hunt with very accurate pistol with quite a bit of power. You will be surprised. However higher amounts of use with the larger powder charges will wear out brass framed revolvers quicker. If you plan on shooting them every so often and at the excellent price they sell for I wouldn't worry about it for they will last a long time as long time just keep them clean.
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Max recommended charge is 25 grains. This is due to the brass frame of the pistol.
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30-40 grains do well, I just eyeball mine to about 3/4.
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Min FFg pyrodex 25g to FFg 35g Pyrodex !
You Can Hunt with this item ! "BUT" For a Better Kill
I would advise a 50 Caliber long gun from Cabela's!
Unless You Wan't to chase a wounded animal!. db.
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Does this gun have a rifled barrel

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Yes these pistols have a rifled barrel with a 1 in 36 rate of twist.
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Absolultely. Nice tight rifling. It shoots better than some modern handguns. You have to find the right load for you. I shoot .451 swagged Hornaday balls with a lubed wad between them and 22 grains of Tripple 7.
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The barrel is rifled. It shoots better than some modern firearms and is a blast to shoot. Use #10 Remington caps and .451 swagged balls to start with and have a great time.
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yes but straight lines inside not a spiral and they sure do shoot straight.
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Yes. This makes the pistol very accurate at 25 yards. I have yet to test at further ranges.
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Shine a light into the bore and you'll see the lands & grooves or in other words - yes.
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The revolver I purchased last year is now completely frozen up. It was cleaned well after last use. Anything I can do?

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Last Year??! You're overdue to go buy another - consider one of the Remington varieties.

While you're waiting for that Remington to arrive, completely disassemble your Colt - look for either a spent & squished percussion cap or some fragments. 99% of the time, it's just that pesky cap that falls in & locks up the entire action.

So, you're on the right track - get a second percussion cap revolver so you won't have to waste precious time at the range disassembling the froze-up one. You can just reach into the range bag & pull out your back-up.

40 years ago, my Dad brought home an 1861 Colt Navy & it quickly became MY job to disassemble, clean & reassemble it. Decades later, after finding a Remington on sale at Cabelas, I've spent more time shooting it - no problems with spent primers jamming it, or the other Remingtons that subsequently arrived on my doorstep.

I recently got another Colt and was able to jam it up right away.

Sometimes you can turn it upside down, work the hammer a little, shake it and the cap piece falls out, but usually removing the trigger guard/grip/backstrap is required to locate & remove the offending impediment.
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If your Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086. is "frozen up" the best course would be to take the revolver to a qualified gunsmith to have it evaluated.
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I had the same thing happen when I left mine in a fishing bag for 3 weeks(stupid move) SOAK it in any good rust solvent and walk away for a day. Here comes the fun part(not). If you have an octogon barrel,lossen screw and remove wedge,take a 2x4 about 8 in long,put the edge on an octagon point and pound off barrel. It will not hurt anything,but use either brass or wood ! Next, pull hammer back and do the same thing with the cylinder,mine took a lot of hits but no damage to pistol. Good luck !
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soak in marvel mystery oil for a week then using channel locks and protective cloth (a vise if you have one)start working patrs loose starting with getting the lock pin out. when you put it away u neded to oil with knight oil with rust inhibitor. after you get it apart youll need to wire bruch everything to clean it
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In addition to the other answers I would check to make sure a fired percussion cap did not wedge it's self between the cylinder and the frame.
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You Stated Purchased Last Year? Cleaned well after last use? Question= Cleaned well after Every Use?
Answer= Take The Barrel off, remove Cylinder , soak
all in soap water= dish liquid for several day's!
use cabela's cleaning brushe's ,oil the entire gun.
let set for several day's / or just soak entire gun in soap
water. then follow directions' above!. If This Reproduction was overloaded with too much powder it
will swell up causing it to FREEZE UP! db.
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What size caps are used for the 1851 Navy?

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I found that #10 fit mine the best.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item # IK-210086, uses #10 percussion caps.
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#10 percussion caps fit nice and snug and won't fall off.
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I have used both CCI and Remington caps in #10 and #11. All worked fine although the 11's seemed a little loose.
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#10
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Use # 10 Caps'! db.
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how do I get the loading revoler out to put another new one in?please help me out on this one Thankyou

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The remove the cylinder from the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086, to replace with a spare cylinder, item # IK-210323, remove the wedge pin located in front of the cylinder on the right side of the revolver. It may require a brass punch for the first few times.
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I assume you mean the cylinder (the revolving area where bullets are loaded)

First find the barrel wedge (its the block sticking out sideways from the barrel.

remove the machine screw in the wedge

drive the wedge out of the barrel

pull barrel away from handle while rotating back and forth slightly.
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There is a good video on Cabela's web site,check when you click on a specific revolver there usually are 2 clips,one for loading and one for cleaning,the loading one will show you both type,the 1851 will require the removel of the wedge (very easy).The 1858 is less time consuming.
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remove the wedge in front of the cylinder to do this turn the screw one or two times then on the other side push the wedge out if it wont move smack it with something soft i use my plastic ball or bullet starter pull the wedge all the way to the screw head or out if you want then rotate the cylinder so the loader is in between chambers push the barrel off with it once it starts to move pull it off slide the cylinder off
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I assume you mean the cylinder. If so, you remove the wedge that holds the barrel in, and then just pull the barrel forward, and it will comeoff of the reciever (aligned with two pins) Then the cylinder slides off the shaft it revolves on. Reverse to assemble.
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You Have to Purchase the correct screw driver to remove
the Barrel Retainer Pin! I warn You that By doing this You Can Ruin The Gun!!!, Remove the screw then compress the pin holder with a wooden tool, Tap on the pin until it come's out , Carefully pull the barrell from
the Gun then, half cock the gun as if loading, so the
Cylinder will turn, then carefully remove the cylinder!.
Remember to clean all Grease from Parts' and replace grease, before replacing Cylinder,"ECT"! db.
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First time shooting questions?

I now have the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver - starter kit - and cleaning kit on the way. First time shooting:
1. Should I fire percussion caps (#10) before loading the revolver?
2. 18 grams of Pyrodex P - Cabella's Lubed Black Powder Revolver Wads - Size 451 round balls that came with the starter kit.............Question - with the Lubed Wads, do I need to add the crisco or bore butter before firing?
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK:210086, does not require having percussion caps being fired before loading for the first time. You also do not have to use bore butter if you are using lubed wads, but it is common to still use bore butter as an extra precaution.
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1. Yes, fire off caps first. This will blow out any assembly lube that might be present in the chambers.

2. No, I shoot mine with just the powder/ wad/ ball combination. If you want to put bore butter on just place it after the ball is seated.

Just be sure to wear glasses as you will be covered in butter LOL

Honestly you don't need it because the wads come prelubed.
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Clean the Entire Gun! Dry the Gun! Fire the caps' #10
Use Cabela's cleaning tools', they are the BEST!
If Caps do not push a small bit of pressure through the barrel take the pick that came with the Cleaning kit and Rotate the Cylinder to put the pick in the Nipples' and remove any Obstruction (PIPE Cleaners' work well too!)With Pyrodex Equal to ffg Make sure You Read The Cabela's Instructions' for Black powder Substitutes'!!!!. add the CORRECT AMMOUNT OF PYRODEX!!!!! Then The Dry Wool Wad, The 451 or 454 Ball, Seat the Ball until it stops' then the Damp sealing wad! don't put the sealing wad behind the ball! You will be pulling balls', because of fowling!
only use crisco if needed! db.
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I, and my fellow cowboy action shooters, usually fire caps prior to loading up for a match when we shoot Frontiersman category. It is simply to insure any residue from cleaning or lubricating is cleared from the flash hole.
If you use a lubricated wad it is not necessary to add Crisco or bore butter but you won't hurt anything by adding it. It will help keep the fouling soft and easier to clean out. I use hot soapy water to clean the revolver after each match. The residue just melts away. A light coat of oil after drying the gun thoroughly will insure your revolver is ready for its next use.
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if you use the revolver wads, you dont need to use grease on the chambers. But you can if you want to.
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Welcome to the club!! the first thing you want to do when the revolver comes in is to field strip it to wipe off all that oil it comes packaged in. Normally its good measure to shoot a round of caps to make sure the nipples are clear prior to loading but its not necessary if you cleaned it yourself and know they are clear imo. Normally these are loaded Powder>Ball>Grease, anything under 22 grains you will need a wad for sure i found out. i load mine with 25 grains of pyrodex P so i dont need to load wads. a really safe load would be 20 grains>Wonderwad>Ball>Grease, the wads dont really have that much lube on them they seemed too dry to me tbh so i used bore butter on top. btw when you use all your .451 balls go out and buy .454 instead they leave a nice ring of lead ensuring a very tight fit so that no gasses come in or escape reducing the chance of a chain fire.
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Can I use ffg powder in my Pietta 1851 .44 revolver?

If so, would I use the same load as if I was using fffg?
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I have used equal amounts of FFG and FFFG Pyrodex powder in these revolvers. 25 grains by volume is my usual load for the Pietta 1851 .44 Revolver.
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Yes. I measured 20 g's volume (which really came closer to 15 - 17 g's actual using the startyer kit measurer) FFG Pyrodex for my first 5 loads. BANG! SMOKE! How cool that was.

I have learned that the F's refer to texture of the black powder and its substitute. The more F's, the finer the powder and it's ability to ignite quickly and burn evenly.
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No, use only 3F black powder.
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I have used FFG in the 1851 before, it takes the same load because ie. 25 grains by volume of FFFG is the same as 25 grains of FFG by volume
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no, FFG is a slower burning powder made for rifles. The FFFG is what you need..
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it says to use 25 grains powder but I use 30 grains solid.no problem.
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Do you have to use the wads in this revolver because I don't in my new army revolver?

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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver – Free Starter Kit Included For a Limited Time, item # IK-210086, can be shot either with or without the use of wads. It is a matter of personal preference.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver with the Free Starter Kit that is Included For a Limited Time, item # IK-210086, can be shot either with or without a wad. It is a matter of personal preference.
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No. You don't HAVE TO. But you may WANT TO, knowing that it assists in wiping the chamber wall of black powder traces into the load. I have faith that this is a step in preventing a possible chain fire.
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Yes, always use a revolver wad over the powder before you load the ball.
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Ive found that wads are needed for charges under 22 grains, In my personal 1851 i use 25grains>Ball>BoreButter
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No you don't need to use wads. They do help keep the bore lubed however. If you shoot the recommended 25gr load you shouldn't need a wad, less and you may. If you. Shoot 30 or 35gr you definately won't need them.
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I have a pair of the brass frames and have always used .454 so they seat tighter. Would I gain any benefit by using .451 balls?

Would a .457 be too snug?I most commonly use between 20 and 25 grain loads to avoid the revolvers evently shooting loose due to brass frame. Has anyone ever had this to happen. I have popped once or twice 30 and 35 grains...WOW..dont do that often...LOL
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Seating the ball should shave a very fine perfect lead ring off the ball. This indicates a good seal to help prevent cross fires. If it goes in too hard and shaves alot of lead off the ball it will make for higher pressures and probably a more flattened ball. Push too hard to load and squish ball. Harder on loading lever also. You kinda got to experiment with different size balls for each gun, though I think I use the .451 in most of my .44's.
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I own one of these snazzy revolvers and the .451 balls shoot splendidly from it. If .451 balls seat well enough to seal the chambers and don't fall out, use them. No more than 25 gr powder should ever be loaded into those brass framed revolvers. If the .451 balls are loose, then I would give the nod to the .454s, and then pose the same scenario as in my first sentence.
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Use the size that is stamped on the barrel of the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver. Any other size is not recomended.
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as long as 451 shaves the little ring of lead thats what i would use it will lenthen the life of ur brass frame pistols im thinking 457 will be really tight but would probably work thats going to be real hard on ur loading lever yes ive killed several of these pistols over the years with the brass frames by loading them with too much powder i killed one the first time i fired it it chain fired n both rounds on both sides of the barrel n the round in line all went off at the same time so seal it good n make sure caps are pinched a bit so they dount pop off when fireing thats what caused it to happen to me scared the out of me too
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I have found that it shoots better and easier to load with the .451 balls. Its just the little bit of lead that is shaved off when pressing the ball in, that hold it in place
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.451 ball seats nicely leaving a perfect shaving around the cylinder. .457 will be too snug.
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Conical bullet

Can you use a conical bullet in this revolver? Anybody who has done so?
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I personally have not put conical bullets in my revolver, But I know people who have. You have to use slightly less powder in order to make the conical fit, and can be difficult to seal the chamber correctly. I would recommend sticking with round balls.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item: IK-210086, can use conical bullets designed for use in black powder revolvers.
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I've cast .36 conical bullets when I was a kid & actually still have some left. They never worked particularly well in my Dad's 1861 Navy. I tried them in my 1858 Remington .36 & they just don't seem to be as accurate as the round balls.

I recently got a Colt Dragoon & some original loads using conicals were referenced. Reading around some of the black powder forums, I've gotten mixed results; most folks say the accuracy is better with roundballs, and very few seem to prefer the conicals. Those who do, use them with heavier charges of powder - somewhere around 41 gr. in the larger capacity Dragoon.

I tried a Lee .456" conical mold, since the base is supposed to be a smaller diameter, but they wouldn't seat.

Overall, the biggest problem with conicals is that, unless you find one sized so that the base hand-presses into the cylinder, it won't seat straight & accuracy will suffer. I considered the smaller Lee conical mold, but it doesn't seem to be of any advantage for my type of shooting to be worth using extra lead to cast a larger bullet than the roundball I have good results with now.
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I have been unable to do so. the projectile loading gap forward of the cylinder was too small to accommodate the .44 bullets I tried to use. It might be possible to load the cylinder with them separately and then re-insert the cylinder; but I have been unable to do so
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Yes, I shoot .451 conical bullets with no problems.
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You Can, But Conicals' will disfigure as compressed into cylinder! I would Not Recomend this! db.
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What size?

OK now I am confused I just got the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver I ordered and I like very much yet it says simply ".44 call" on the barrel not what size ball to use. The Chibela's instruction manual says use .451 balls and the Elli Pietta instruction manual says use .454 balls.
So which is it? I need to know because I am going to order a mold for it.
Thanks
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Both Pietta and Uberti recommend a .454" ball. The .451" balls seem to work OK, but a little larger ball will fit tighter & give you better accuracy.

The stamp on the side says .44 caliber, because, ultimately .44 cal is what exits the muzzle.

You start out with a .454" ball, seat it into the cylinder. A small ring of lead shaves off, and the ball is reduced by a few thousandths of an inch. When you fire the loaded chamber, the ball is propelled forward, out of the cylinder & into the forcing cone, which further swages down the ball diameter. It is further reduced a little as soon as it engages the rifling to somewhere around .443-.449" depending on barrel & manufacturer.

A Lee .454" mold is what I use & I'm happy with it.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK:210086, can use either the .451 or .454 diameter ball. Using the .454 diameter ball will seal the cylinder more efficiently than a .451 diameter ball.
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the balls the revolver uses are actually .45 caliber, but when they are rammed into the cylinder, roughly a 1mm. ring of lead will be trimmed off. This ensures a tight-fitting ball in the cylinder and prevents shifting of the projectile. either the .451 or the .454 balls will work since they are both .45 caliber. .454 balls are, however, slightly larger. Very slightly, mind you
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I use 454 I have the same gun and a 1858 and 1861 all use 454 balls with # 10 percussion caps. clean it well when you think you have clean it again oil it with knight oil from modern muzzel loaders
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u can use both but the .454 is better if u hunt with it more chamber psi
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