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PIETTA Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver

Patterned after the original made with a brass frame to conserve the South’s limited supplies of steel. Although designated as a Navy pistol, it saw heavy use among Army officers who favored .44-caliber firepower. It features a blued octagonal barrel; plain blued cylinder; tough, attractive walnut grips; and brass trigger guard. Reloads quickly with a spare cylinder (sold separately).  Barrel length: 7-1/2". Overall length: 13-1/4". Weight: 2 lbs., 9 oz.
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Triple 7 Fouling

I've been using 777 3f and my 1851, after just two loads, the cylinder won't freely rotate anymore. I'm forced to constantly lube between loads to ensure good action. Just wondering if this is normal for BP or if it is perticular to 777.
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I began shooting real black powder over 45 years ago & just recently got some 777 to compare with Pyrodex & American Pioneer Powders.

In general, Black Powder fouls quicker than any of the substitutes. I've fired about 100 rounds each of Pyrodex, American Pioneer & also 777 thru a .36 Remington without any need to clean in order to maintain function.

I've found the biggest contributing factor to fouling build-up is the use of too much ball lube. It's been trendy for the past several decades or more to recommend gooping up the cylinders with grease after seating bullets in order to supposedly eliminate flashover (firing an adjacent cylinder before it comes into battery). I can't find any historical reference to this precautionary procedure & an old-timer at my range 40 years ago said he never greased the cylinder as a kid.

With all this in mind, a light application of the proper ball lube is necessary, but the composition of it seems most critical. Petroleum-based lubes & bearing grease seem to foul much quicker, although paraffin is said to be an exception. I've used either plain Crisco, or various mixtures of tallow, crisco & beeswax with much cleaner results.

If you use the pre-lubed felt wads, you can eliminate need for ball lube altogether, or simply put a paper wad over your powder charge in each cylinder, add a little lube, and then seat your balls. Less lube accumulation will attract & hold less fouling & should extend your range time between any necessary cleanings.

You can make a lifetime supply of paper wads - for .44 cal, 1/2 sheet of toilet paper folded first into a square, then fold all corners inward, seat over the powder charge with a tapered dowel. Add a little grease, and then seat the bullet.
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I have been using Pyrodex Triple F and have had no problems other than an occasional cap hanging up after firing.
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It may be the 777. I shot strictly Goex Pinacle, and had no issues. I coated the cylinder pin, or arbor, with TC Bore Butter prior to shooting, and I put about 75 rounds through it.
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Triple 777 Is NOT The Corect Propellant for this Reproduction!. Do You Wan't to Blow Up Youre Gun?
This Is a Brass Frame Reproduction for Black Powder
ONLY or the equivalent FFg Pyrodex! You are lucky
that The Cylinder has not Exploded! Get Pyrodex!.
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Hodgdon does not recommend the use of 777 in brass-framed revolvers. 25 grains of Pyrodex P is considered max for a brass frame. on my 1851 it starts getting stiff around 6 cylinders shot but still revolves fine so something has to be wrong for sure. i would make sure nothing is bent first and make sure the spent percussion caps are not getting stuck in the action.
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Can I use HODGDON .44 CALIBER REVOLVER PELLETS

Can I use HODGDON .44 CALIBER REVOLVER PELLETS in the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate .44 Cal. Revolver
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With the brass models you might want to stay away from the pellets as they are 30 grain,the manufacture suggests to use no more than 25 grain.It would probably be ok but not every time.To be certain check your manual.
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Pyrodex® .44/.45 Caliber 30-Grain Pellets Item # IK-213724 can be used in any .44 or .45 black powder pistol which can handle 30 grain loads. Please check the owners manual to verify the max load the pistol can handle. Do not use rifle pellets in a revolver.
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only the 30gr. ones
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I Suggest Using Only Cabela's 451 or 454 Swaged
Black Powder ROUND Balls'! Pellets' tend to ruin the Barrel!. db.
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You can but the brass frame will loosen up and wear faster because the pellets are 30 grain loads, max for a brass frame 1851 is 25 grains
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Can Pyrodex Select be used in the PM 1851?

I also have RS. Would that work?
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Pyrodex Select is not suitable for use in blackpowder revolvers. You would need to go with Pyrodex P powder.
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Yes, Pryodex is fine. AAA, about 15 -20 grains. Use lighter loads on brass frames.
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Pyrodex in the round cans .44/.45 tablets work the best. and no R/S is for rifle or shotgun, you'll need the powder with the P on it and a Green lable
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Pistol powder is granulated for pistols so it is best to use PPP black powder or a black powder substitute like Pyrodex or Tripple 7. Cabela's sells both. You want pistol powder, see the drop down menu on their web-site.
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3F black powder is the best, with Pyrodex P equally good. The RS Pyrodex is equivalent to 2F Black powder. It is coarser, with burn characteristics better suited to larger bore rifles, muskets & muzzleloading shotguns.

Sure, it will work if it's the only powder you have, but I'd consider any quantity of 2F powder the proper rationale to go buy a big bore rifle or musket to use it in ...

Pyrodex select, as I recall is intended more for in-line muzzleloader use & the extra cost isn't justified over that of a better performing pound can of Pyrodex P.
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PYRODEX P ONLY = TO 28g of powder !
otherwise Youre 44 caliber may be damaged!
Not to mention YOU! db.
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Percussion Caps

I am new to black powder pistols. I just purchased the 1851 .44. Which percussion cap do I use no 11 or no 10? The manual does not say.
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We suggest using the #10 percussion cap with the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver.
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I use the Remington No. 10's with no problem at all.
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I just bought the same gun. CCI #10's go on snug, but seem to stay put. Most say the #11's need to be pinched. Since chainfire seems more likely from the back through a missing cap than the front to me, tighter is OK with me.
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Remington #10 caps fit my 1851 Navy 44 just fine. If you crimp them just slightly they will go on and stay on.
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Remington #10 only. I find the CCIs don't fit the nipples that came with my 1851 Rebel Colt clone.
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10 fits better a little tighter but 11 will work fine. I use both.
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Does this gun have a rifled barrel

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Yes these pistols have a rifled barrel with a 1 in 36 rate of twist.
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Absolultely. Nice tight rifling. It shoots better than some modern handguns. You have to find the right load for you. I shoot .451 swagged Hornaday balls with a lubed wad between them and 22 grains of Tripple 7.
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The barrel is rifled. It shoots better than some modern firearms and is a blast to shoot. Use #10 Remington caps and .451 swagged balls to start with and have a great time.
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Yes. This makes the pistol very accurate at 25 yards. I have yet to test at further ranges.
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yes but straight lines inside not a spiral and they sure do shoot straight.
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Shine a light into the bore and you'll see the lands & grooves or in other words - yes.
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Is the frame brass, or just the trigger guard?

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Both the trigger guard and the frame are brass on the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver.
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The frame is brass and that means you should not try to convert this to cartridges.
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The frame is also brass.
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Frame.
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The description only mentions a brass trigger guard, but the picture shows a brass frame.

Another clue is the "Confederate" model is a good indicator of brass frames, since the story goes that they were short on iron used for frame construction - historical accuracy sometimes not withstanding.

Keep loads of Black Powder or Pyrodex to the 18-21 grain range & the gun should last nearly forever.
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Brass Frame And Trigger Guard! BOTH!
But that won't Effect The Use of The Item!.
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Conical bullet

Can you use a conical bullet in this revolver? Anybody who has done so?
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item: IK-210086, can use conical bullets designed for use in black powder revolvers.
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I personally have not put conical bullets in my revolver, But I know people who have. You have to use slightly less powder in order to make the conical fit, and can be difficult to seal the chamber correctly. I would recommend sticking with round balls.
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I have been unable to do so. the projectile loading gap forward of the cylinder was too small to accommodate the .44 bullets I tried to use. It might be possible to load the cylinder with them separately and then re-insert the cylinder; but I have been unable to do so
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Yes, I shoot .451 conical bullets with no problems.
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I've cast .36 conical bullets when I was a kid & actually still have some left. They never worked particularly well in my Dad's 1861 Navy. I tried them in my 1858 Remington .36 & they just don't seem to be as accurate as the round balls.

I recently got a Colt Dragoon & some original loads using conicals were referenced. Reading around some of the black powder forums, I've gotten mixed results; most folks say the accuracy is better with roundballs, and very few seem to prefer the conicals. Those who do, use them with heavier charges of powder - somewhere around 41 gr. in the larger capacity Dragoon.

I tried a Lee .456" conical mold, since the base is supposed to be a smaller diameter, but they wouldn't seat.

Overall, the biggest problem with conicals is that, unless you find one sized so that the base hand-presses into the cylinder, it won't seat straight & accuracy will suffer. I considered the smaller Lee conical mold, but it doesn't seem to be of any advantage for my type of shooting to be worth using extra lead to cast a larger bullet than the roundball I have good results with now.
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You Can, But Conicals' will disfigure as compressed into cylinder! I would Not Recomend this! db.
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What size?

OK now I am confused I just got the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver I ordered and I like very much yet it says simply ".44 call" on the barrel not what size ball to use. The Chibela's instruction manual says use .451 balls and the Elli Pietta instruction manual says use .454 balls.
So which is it? I need to know because I am going to order a mold for it.
Thanks
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK:210086, can use either the .451 or .454 diameter ball. Using the .454 diameter ball will seal the cylinder more efficiently than a .451 diameter ball.
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the balls the revolver uses are actually .45 caliber, but when they are rammed into the cylinder, roughly a 1mm. ring of lead will be trimmed off. This ensures a tight-fitting ball in the cylinder and prevents shifting of the projectile. either the .451 or the .454 balls will work since they are both .45 caliber. .454 balls are, however, slightly larger. Very slightly, mind you
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I use 454 I have the same gun and a 1858 and 1861 all use 454 balls with # 10 percussion caps. clean it well when you think you have clean it again oil it with knight oil from modern muzzel loaders
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Both Pietta and Uberti recommend a .454" ball. The .451" balls seem to work OK, but a little larger ball will fit tighter & give you better accuracy.

The stamp on the side says .44 caliber, because, ultimately .44 cal is what exits the muzzle.

You start out with a .454" ball, seat it into the cylinder. A small ring of lead shaves off, and the ball is reduced by a few thousandths of an inch. When you fire the loaded chamber, the ball is propelled forward, out of the cylinder & into the forcing cone, which further swages down the ball diameter. It is further reduced a little as soon as it engages the rifling to somewhere around .443-.449" depending on barrel & manufacturer.

A Lee .454" mold is what I use & I'm happy with it.
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u can use both but the .454 is better if u hunt with it more chamber psi
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What size caps are used for the 1851 Navy?

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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item # IK-210086, uses #10 percussion caps.
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I found that #10 fit mine the best.
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#10 percussion caps fit nice and snug and won't fall off.
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I have used both CCI and Remington caps in #10 and #11. All worked fine although the 11's seemed a little loose.
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#10
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Use # 10 Caps'! db.
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MODEL 1851 CONFEDERATE NAVY .44 CALIBER REVOLVER SHERIFF MODEL

CAN YOU CHANGE THE CYLINDER TO SHOOT A 45 SHELL.I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET THIS REVOLVER.EVEN IF IT JUST SHOOTS BLACK POWDER I WOULD LIKE IT.
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Cabela's does not offer a replacement cylinder for the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086, to convert to a centerfire revolver.
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Lighter powder charges are recommended for all brass frame revolver models, especially the Colt Designs. Converter manufacturers specifically emphasize that their conversions be used in steel framed guns Only.

There is a converter that features a loading gate that would be better adaptable to Colt-design revolvers, however it does require substantial frame modification, since in the original configuration, the frame won't allow sufficient clearance to load a shell.

In general, the Remingtons are better suited to conversion, since the cylinders are MUCH easier and quicker to remove and reinstall.

I've considered a converter for a particular revolver, but, even though I already reload, it involves getting more loading dies, shells, powder suitable for lower pressure use & more and different bullets than I alreaqdy have - too much time & effort, when I already am happy with the performance of roundballs, a dispensing flask of BP & an inline capper or 2.

Spend a little more for an 1858 Remington Steel Frame - the 5 1/2" Sheriff's model points and handles easily and packs plenty of punch. For the price of a conversion cylinder (often exceeds the price of an on-sale revolver), you will find it much ¢heaper and about as convenient to get a couple of spare cylinders, and maybe even one of those little benchtop loaders.

The reason for lighter powder loads in brass, especially the Colt designs, are that the rear portion of the steel cylinder beats into the softer brass frame and causes excessive wear, leading to increased cylinder gap & loss of power & accuracy. OTOH, a 20-23 gr. 3F black powder or Pyrodex P and a .454" roundball should enable the brass frame last nearly forever, and will still provide impressive accuracy.

Everyone eventually wants to shoot heavy loads (around 35+ gr BP) just to say they can, but accuracy isn't nearly as good as with a lighter load. You can do an occasional heavy load in brass framed revolvers (especially the Remington designs, due to the cylinder design spreads out recoil force across a larger surface area than does the Colt).

I'd recommend that you buy the brass model first, just to become familiar with black powder revolver shooting, cleaning and maintenance. Get a good set of properly fitting gunsmith's screwdrivers (or grind your own), since clean-up after corrosive black powder residue requires disassembly & clean-up with hot soapy water, to do it right.

You can always add a steel frame revolver later (keep the Remingtons in mind). Once you're hooked, you'll be looking for sales and good deals on more black powder revolvers - once you're hooked, they multiply like rabbits.

Unfortunately, the one word answer to your original question is ---- NO ------
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there are conversion cylinders but they are NOT to be used with brass frames they are only for steal frames as the power is unsafe for the soft brass.
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no the brass will not take it
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You should not use a conversion cylinder to shoot 45 Colt cartridges out of the model 1851 Confederate Navy . The brass frame is not strong enough. There are conversion cylinders made for some steel frame cap and ball revolvers, such as the 1858 Remington, that allow you to shoot 45 Colt black powder cartridges. However, shooting black powder cartridges out of brass framed cap and ball revolvers is considered unsafe.
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What is the maximum powder load (grains) for this revolver

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While you can physically load up to around 35 grains of powder & the gun will be safe to fire with it, lighter loads are recommended for brass frame revolvers, especially Colts. When you disassemble your revolver, note the rear portion of the cylinder & where it bears up against a recess in the frame. When firing consistently heavy powder charges, recoil will cause the steel cylinder to pound into the softer brass frame. This will cause deformation of the frame. Some people contend that the frame "stretches", while actually the cylinder hammers or peens the frame. The results are an increased cylinder gap, or more noticeable free play of the cylinder within the frame.

Use between 15 - 20 grains of either Pyrodex P or 3F black powder, and with reasonable care & cleaning, your revolver will last a lifetime. You'll discover that whatever heavy loads you do fire, aren't all that accurate, your optimum precision will be found somewhere within that 15-20 grain range.

Loads within this powder range will work best with either paper or felt wad between powder & ball to slightly compress the powder & eliminate excess air in the chamber.
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The maximum load the manufacturer recommends for the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item # IK-210086, is 25 grains of fffg powder.
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The pamphlet that comes with the gun from the manufacturer states not to use more than 35gr. Cabela's only recommends 25gr.
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The Pietta book say's 28 grains of Pyrodex max. and suggested 12-15 grains fffg average load. This should give you some room to work out the best load for accuracy and fun.
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Judging from the info supplied by Pietta with the revolver, yoou shoulddn't load more than 25 gr FFFg black powder. It will handle larger charges, but the brass frame wont last as long and can become distorted.
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35gr. but i find 30 and 32 to work the best
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Can you go hog hunting with this gun

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How fast can you run? Will there be trees nearby & can you climb? Will you be hunting Javelina, wild pigs, or those big, honkin' 600 # feral hogs?

I'd consider this particular revolver as a last resort for when the hog has already knocked you down & is preparing to EAT you ...

I have both a Ruger Old Army that handles considerably stouter loads than the brass frame revolver, and would choose it as a distant second best to my 2nd Model Dragoon, which, with proper shot placement, and 50 grains of BP propelling a round ball will be a more reasonable choice for the task.

A broadside, behind the shoulder shot would be preferred to firing at the hog charging you head-on.

Remember that when hunting animals that can hunt you back, there is never such thing as too much firepower.

Or too much marksmanship practice beforehand.
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Of course you can go hunting with this gun as long as it is allowed where you plan on hunting.
Is it good for hunting? Depends on what you are hunting, at what range and how good of a shot you are with this sort of weapon.
Would I hunt with it? As a side arm yes, as the only weapon? Not so much..
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maybe very docile slow hogs
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Probably not legal. I'd want a bigger gun.
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yes use 30gr. powder .454ball with wad 40yard is as far as u want to shoot one it will kill the hog
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At your own risk! db.
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Can petroleum based solvents like Outers Nitro Solvent, be used to clean this pistol without damaging it?

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The Outers Nitro Solvent may be used on the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver item number IK-210086 without damaging it.
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You could use any petro-based cleaner without any damage, but keep in mind that it was made as a powder solvent for nitrocellulose-based powders.

Black powder & it's combustion byproducts are all water based. A sinkful of hot soapy water is much cheaper and effective to clean your black powder revolver than Hoppes.

Best to disassemble the revolver; everything goes into the hot, soapy water except the grips. I pre-treat all parts with Windex, let it sit in the sink for a few minutes, then go on to using hot soapy water and a toothbrush. Consider getting one of those jars of jewelery-cleaner that have the little basket inside - they're ideal to put all those loose screws, nipples, trigger, hand & bolt and all small parts into to avoid going down the drain.

Toothbrush with a little more dish detergent on it and a nylon bristle brush will clean it all. Follow up with a patch down the bore & chambers. Drain, then rinse with the hottest water you have. Drain, shake off parts & place on a folded towel - spray down with WD-40 to displace moisture, then wipe dry before oiling all parts with CLP, or your favorite gun oil before reassembly.

Be sure to have a set of properly fitting screwdrivers for disassembly & reassembly.

Q-tips are your friend - as long as you remove any residual lint afterward.
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yes you can but Mix 1/3 Murphy's oil soap, 1/3 Denatured Alchohol and 1/3 Hydrogen peroxide in a dark bottle and shake.

Soak a patch, run it thru your bore, let it sit for a few minutes and follow with a couple dry patches. Last run an oily patch thru to prevent rust.

This stuff literally melts black powder fouling away. it's very cheap to make and works better than any of the commercial stuff I have tried.
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yes but it may stain the brass
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Use hot soapy water and a toothbrush. The water will evaporate quickly, and you can rub on some Bore Butter.
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Petroleum based solvents' are "NOT" Recomended!
Petroleum seep's into Places that You cannot Dry Out!
They are made for exactly What You Stated "NITRO"
These Reproduction's are not made for Nitro!.
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how do I get the loading revoler out to put another new one in?please help me out on this one Thankyou

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The remove the cylinder from the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086, to replace with a spare cylinder, item # IK-210323, remove the wedge pin located in front of the cylinder on the right side of the revolver. It may require a brass punch for the first few times.
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I assume you mean the cylinder (the revolving area where bullets are loaded)

First find the barrel wedge (its the block sticking out sideways from the barrel.

remove the machine screw in the wedge

drive the wedge out of the barrel

pull barrel away from handle while rotating back and forth slightly.
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I assume you mean the cylinder. If so, you remove the wedge that holds the barrel in, and then just pull the barrel forward, and it will comeoff of the reciever (aligned with two pins) Then the cylinder slides off the shaft it revolves on. Reverse to assemble.
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There is a good video on Cabela's web site,check when you click on a specific revolver there usually are 2 clips,one for loading and one for cleaning,the loading one will show you both type,the 1851 will require the removel of the wedge (very easy).The 1858 is less time consuming.
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remove the wedge in front of the cylinder to do this turn the screw one or two times then on the other side push the wedge out if it wont move smack it with something soft i use my plastic ball or bullet starter pull the wedge all the way to the screw head or out if you want then rotate the cylinder so the loader is in between chambers push the barrel off with it once it starts to move pull it off slide the cylinder off
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You Have to Purchase the correct screw driver to remove
the Barrel Retainer Pin! I warn You that By doing this You Can Ruin The Gun!!!, Remove the screw then compress the pin holder with a wooden tool, Tap on the pin until it come's out , Carefully pull the barrell from
the Gun then, half cock the gun as if loading, so the
Cylinder will turn, then carefully remove the cylinder!.
Remember to clean all Grease from Parts' and replace grease, before replacing Cylinder,"ECT"! db.
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What Diameter Ball Do I Use .454 Or .451

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Either one actually, although, .454 will seat tighter and give you a better gas seal.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-210086, has a recommendation of .451 lead ball diameter.
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.454 if hunting but both could be used for pratice
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.451 are perfect fit and make a good seat
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I have better results with the .454 ball as it makes a tighter seal reducing the chance of chain firing. Always check the loading end of your cylinder for powder after loading to insure there are no particles on this surface. It happens.
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You can use Either, But for a better seal I use #454!
Remember to Use the correct ammount of Powder &
Cabela's Black Powder Revolver LUBED WADS! db.
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I now have the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver - starter kit - and cleaning kit on the way. First time shooting:
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2. 18 grams of Pyrodex P - Cabella's Lubed Black Powder Revolver Wads - Size 451 round balls that came with the starter kit.............Question - with the Lubed Wads, do I need to add the crisco or bore butter before firing?
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK:210086, does not require having percussion caps being fired before loading for the first time. You also do not have to use bore butter if you are using lubed wads, but it is common to still use bore butter as an extra precaution.
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1. Yes, fire off caps first. This will blow out any assembly lube that might be present in the chambers.

2. No, I shoot mine with just the powder/ wad/ ball combination. If you want to put bore butter on just place it after the ball is seated.

Just be sure to wear glasses as you will be covered in butter LOL

Honestly you don't need it because the wads come prelubed.
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Clean the Entire Gun! Dry the Gun! Fire the caps' #10
Use Cabela's cleaning tools', they are the BEST!
If Caps do not push a small bit of pressure through the barrel take the pick that came with the Cleaning kit and Rotate the Cylinder to put the pick in the Nipples' and remove any Obstruction (PIPE Cleaners' work well too!)With Pyrodex Equal to ffg Make sure You Read The Cabela's Instructions' for Black powder Substitutes'!!!!. add the CORRECT AMMOUNT OF PYRODEX!!!!! Then The Dry Wool Wad, The 451 or 454 Ball, Seat the Ball until it stops' then the Damp sealing wad! don't put the sealing wad behind the ball! You will be pulling balls', because of fowling!
only use crisco if needed! db.
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I, and my fellow cowboy action shooters, usually fire caps prior to loading up for a match when we shoot Frontiersman category. It is simply to insure any residue from cleaning or lubricating is cleared from the flash hole.
If you use a lubricated wad it is not necessary to add Crisco or bore butter but you won't hurt anything by adding it. It will help keep the fouling soft and easier to clean out. I use hot soapy water to clean the revolver after each match. The residue just melts away. A light coat of oil after drying the gun thoroughly will insure your revolver is ready for its next use.
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if you use the revolver wads, you dont need to use grease on the chambers. But you can if you want to.
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Welcome to the club!! the first thing you want to do when the revolver comes in is to field strip it to wipe off all that oil it comes packaged in. Normally its good measure to shoot a round of caps to make sure the nipples are clear prior to loading but its not necessary if you cleaned it yourself and know they are clear imo. Normally these are loaded Powder>Ball>Grease, anything under 22 grains you will need a wad for sure i found out. i load mine with 25 grains of pyrodex P so i dont need to load wads. a really safe load would be 20 grains>Wonderwad>Ball>Grease, the wads dont really have that much lube on them they seemed too dry to me tbh so i used bore butter on top. btw when you use all your .451 balls go out and buy .454 instead they leave a nice ring of lead ensuring a very tight fit so that no gasses come in or escape reducing the chance of a chain fire.
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Is it normal to have some play in the cylinder and the frame of this gun?

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Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver, Item: IK-210086, should have very little play in the cylinder.
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There really should not be any end play or side play. If there is you need to have it checked out to see if there is any problem with the arbor .
I have shot mine for 2.5 years and there is no play to speak of. Shoot no more than the recommended amount of tripple 7 or black powder and you should be fine. I like 22 grains of Tripple 7 behind a lubed wad and .451 ball #10 Remington caps on my Reb .44.
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If the gun was a second hand buy dont shoot it. The brass may have been stressed if someone loaded to much powder. Also make sure all the screws are tight. As for the cylinder there should be very little play. If this is a second hand buy check ur blast shield to make sure theres no marks in it where the cylinder would have peened against it. If its a new gun just send it back.
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That Depends' on "if the gun is in Cocked position" or
How it has been treated? Such as How many times' it has been taken apart? , Has it been overloaded with too
much Powder, and has it been used as a Hammer? ,
Steel Frame or Brass Frame?. Your Question is not
complete? How old is this Gun?, And YES there is play
in these guns' to a very small amount! But How much play?, If it is cocked and the cylinder moves' side to side
someone has spun the Cylinder too many times!.
NEVER SPIN A CYLINDER OF ANY GUN! db.
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Normally there is some slack in the cylinder when the revolver is uncocked, When the hammer is fully cocked the slack should come out. At least thats what mine does.
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i would say no.mine is tight
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Can I use ffg powder in my Pietta 1851 .44 revolver?

If so, would I use the same load as if I was using fffg?
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I have used equal amounts of FFG and FFFG Pyrodex powder in these revolvers. 25 grains by volume is my usual load for the Pietta 1851 .44 Revolver.
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No, use only 3F black powder.
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I have used FFG in the 1851 before, it takes the same load because ie. 25 grains by volume of FFFG is the same as 25 grains of FFG by volume
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Yes. I measured 20 g's volume (which really came closer to 15 - 17 g's actual using the startyer kit measurer) FFG Pyrodex for my first 5 loads. BANG! SMOKE! How cool that was.

I have learned that the F's refer to texture of the black powder and its substitute. The more F's, the finer the powder and it's ability to ignite quickly and burn evenly.
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no, FFG is a slower burning powder made for rifles. The FFFG is what you need..
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it says to use 25 grains powder but I use 30 grains solid.no problem.
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I have a pair of the brass frames and have always used .454 so they seat tighter. Would I gain any benefit by using .451 balls?

Would a .457 be too snug?I most commonly use between 20 and 25 grain loads to avoid the revolvers evently shooting loose due to brass frame. Has anyone ever had this to happen. I have popped once or twice 30 and 35 grains...WOW..dont do that often...LOL
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Use the size that is stamped on the barrel of the Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver. Any other size is not recomended.
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as long as 451 shaves the little ring of lead thats what i would use it will lenthen the life of ur brass frame pistols im thinking 457 will be really tight but would probably work thats going to be real hard on ur loading lever yes ive killed several of these pistols over the years with the brass frames by loading them with too much powder i killed one the first time i fired it it chain fired n both rounds on both sides of the barrel n the round in line all went off at the same time so seal it good n make sure caps are pinched a bit so they dount pop off when fireing thats what caused it to happen to me scared the out of me too
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answer 3
Seating the ball should shave a very fine perfect lead ring off the ball. This indicates a good seal to help prevent cross fires. If it goes in too hard and shaves alot of lead off the ball it will make for higher pressures and probably a more flattened ball. Push too hard to load and squish ball. Harder on loading lever also. You kinda got to experiment with different size balls for each gun, though I think I use the .451 in most of my .44's.
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.451 ball seats nicely leaving a perfect shaving around the cylinder. .457 will be too snug.
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I have found that it shoots better and easier to load with the .451 balls. Its just the little bit of lead that is shaved off when pressing the ball in, that hold it in place
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I own one of these snazzy revolvers and the .451 balls shoot splendidly from it. If .451 balls seat well enough to seal the chambers and don't fall out, use them. No more than 25 gr powder should ever be loaded into those brass framed revolvers. If the .451 balls are loose, then I would give the nod to the .454s, and then pose the same scenario as in my first sentence.
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black powder firearms

how many times can you shoot one before having to clean it
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State: Nebraska
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I usally shoot 6 rounds (1 chamber full) then run a wet patch down. this only takes a second and helps keep your shooting accurate,.you can go more say 2 chambers full but one push with the rod and a patch and your good.
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answered 1 year, 9 months ago
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Black powder will corrode and rust your firearm if you don't clean it after each shooting session. I had to clean mine after every 18-24 rounds or the cylinder would get gummed up and not turn. By that point the pistol is very hard to take apart and the parts almost have to be forced to separate.
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Depends on powder make,but 6-7 is a good rule. Do not forget to clean nipples!, a needle works fine,just finish with a small brass brush.
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I can shoot mine all day without any real cleaning. I remove the cylinder to reload & just wipe off the cylinder face in the course of handling. I've gone over a tin of caps (100+ rounds) without needing to clean.

The largest contributing factor to crud build up that eventually causes a revolver to seize up is the use of too much ball lubricant.

Used to be that the "experts" said it was mandatory to fill up the chambers around seated bullets with bullet lube. When fired, all that goop blows out around the frame & onto/into the cylinder pin, attracting & holding powder residue. If you use too much or the wrong stuff, you can seize up within as few as 30 rounds.

Best lubes are organic & not petroleum based. F'r instance, a little Crisco on the bottom side of a round ball then seated over a wad atop the powder will eliminate the need for any further gooping up the cylinder. I use a mixture of tallow & beeswax & can shoot all day without problems. The cause of chain-fires appears to be actually due to loosely-fitting caps than with no lube filling the cylinders.

Felt "Wonder- wads" work great & eliminate the need for additional lube. I use a 2 ply piece of TP compressed over the powder, than a ball very lightly lubed, seated over that.

I disassemble & completely clean all black powder pistols after returning home from the range.
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Black powder firearms need to be cleaned promptly after firing because black powder and substitutes like Pyrodex will attract moisture and cause rust in a very short time. Failure to clean a black powder firearm after firing can render the firearm useless over a very short period of time (just a few days). The first thing I do when I get home after shooting in a cowboy match is clean my black powder firearms. Hot, soapy water works very well. Follow with a thorough drying and lubrication.
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The Pietta Model 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver should be cleaned at a minimum after shooting 10 complete cylinder reloads. If shooting less than that number of shots, it should be cleaned at the end of each shooting session.
answered 1 year, 10 months ago
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