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PIETTA Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver

The Remington Model 1858 was one of the most powerful and rugged performers of its day. Easily removable/replaceable cylinders make reloading extremely fast. These realistic reproductions boast a polished brass trigger guard and walnut grips.  The 5-1/2" barrel makes it easier to holster and handle. Barrel length: 5-1/2". Overall length: 11-1/2". Weight: 2 lbs. 9 oz.
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what is the frame made of?

The Chasis or Frame is often made of brass. Is this made of brass or steel?
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The Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver frame is made of a blued steel.
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The frame of the Pietta Model 1858 New Army revolver pictured is steel, and is much stronger than brass framed versions. I just bought two of these with 5 1/2" barrels and could not be happier with my choice.
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It is made of steel. only the trigger and trigger gaurd are made of brass.
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This model is made of steel.
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This is a steel framed revolver. Only the trigger guard is brass.
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The Pietta 1858 Remington replica is a steel frame with a brass trigger guard. Strong and elegant!
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This model is approved for use with the .45LC conversion cylinder. This means that the manufacturer of the cylinder recommend safely shooting .45LC Cowboy Action (low loads) out of this pistol. The requirement is that the barrel be steel and not brass.
Always ask first before purchasing any gun that you plan to use for other purposes (conversion cylinder) and never use loads in black powder beyond the safety recommendations.
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steel
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STEEL ON THESE REMS. PRODUCT DESCRIPTION IS VERY CLEAR ON THAT
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This model is blued steel. Some of the nickel or chrome plated guns are brass FYI. Case colored frames are steel too.
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This one is made of steel
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What size percussion cap do you use with this model? With pyrodex pellets do you need grease or wads or is that built into the pellet?

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Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver (215506) uses a #10 percussion cap.

To use the Pyrodex® .44/.45 Caliber 30-Grain Pellets (213724) drop the pellets down the bore (ignition strip towards the bottom) seat the bullet and you're ready to shoot. Use of a wad, such as a pistol Wonder Wad 210301) to act as a filler/spacer & allow seating of the ball against the powder charge, is recommended. The ball should be firmly seated, but crushing the pellet is not required. rushing the pellet will result in variations in velocity with a reduction in accuracy. pellet may be placed in each cylinder hole through the front of the pistol cylinder.
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Neither Pietta nor Cabelas have given you this information in their instruction manuals.. Shooters using the wrong size caps tell of pinching caps to make them stay on during recoil & others complain of caps coming off & falling into the interior of the gun.

#10 caps fit properly, stay put & haven't fallen into the innards of any of my revolvers. Remington or CCI - both work well, & the smoother finish of the CCI seem to feed thru my cappers better.

A forum dedicated to 1858 Remingtons has a number of members who are fond of grease wads. I've used heavy powder loads with just a seated ball (less accurate), and some lighter loads where wads are necessary to compress the powder a little, but the ball won't seat deeply enough. Pyrodex pills are just a convenience item that you pay more for.
The 'junk food' of black powder pistols, so to speak.

A more solid wad such as the felt Wonder Wads will work, but (as even with granulated powder) you risk the grease/lube pushing into the powder while seating - this is normally more evident when you load up a cylinder & shoot it later that day or the next.. This will lead to inconsistent burn from round to round & can make you wonder why your groups on target aren't as tight as mine.

There is no wad built into the pellet, but as soon as word of your inquiry gets around, I'll bet someone will begin work on the idea.

Personally, I favor paper wads between powder & ball. a 1/2 sheet of 2 ply toilet paper folded and rammed down over the powder with a TINY dab of ball lube at the base of the ball before you seat it works great for me.

Pellets? use them if you've already got them, but keep in mind that you're stuck with that particular powder weight & can't adjust for lighter or heavier loads to suit your particular shooting situations.

For future thought, consider the Traditions loading tool Cabelas sells for loading Remington cylinders - you can easier measure & pour powder, seat wads of your preference, then seat the bullet. For the .44 Remington, 35 grains FFFG black powder is the maximum & around 25 gr is a great accuracy load - you can adjust with loose powder, but not with pellets.
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Most people do not use the pellets with a cap and ball revolver. It is important to not have voids in the cylinder. A pellet leaves air gaps and could make for uneven ignition and poor accuracy. There is no grease lubrication built into any pyrodex pellet. It is common to use a pre-lubed wad or grease over the ball. The nipple size will vary on Italian guns, the actual size of caps will vary as well. Try a few types until you find one that works for your gun. It is a common practice when caps are loose to pinch the cap a little bit to make for a tighter fit.
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I use #11 caps on mine, I do not reccomend using pellets but if you have the correct load you should also use a wonder wad between the powder and the ball. I use Pure Black-Powder in my pistol but Pyrodex will also work fine, it will clean up easier than Black-Powder.
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I use 11s but I usually squeeze 'em a bit and seat them good so they don't fall off. 10s are to hard to seat - but I gots big hands.
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Cap size #10 any brand. Touch each one with clear nail polish after installation to insure against dropoff when firing.
For safety I recommend grease or wads as pellets or bullets may not always seal.
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DO NOT USE PELLETS. Use Pyrodex P And as far as greasing the cylinder after loading , a definate must do.
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Always use grease wads. read the manual carefully. I am not aware of any pyrodex pellets made for the 44. Use only black powder or black powder substitues in revolvers.
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What is a good cleaning kit for the Pietta 1858 new army .44 cal. revolver ?

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Cabela's Black-Powder Revolver Cleaning Kit. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabe...
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Any .45 pistol cleaning rod with a patch jag and also a NYLON bristle brush will work. You won't have any lead build up, so a bronze brush is unnecessary for routine cleaning. Get a smaller & narrower child's toothbrush to use to scrub down all the corners of the inside of the frame and also all the nipple wells.

Get a nipple wrench made for revolvers. A box of Q-tips is handy, as is a small strainer basket to put all small parts & the nipples into. One of those strainers inside the jar of jewelery cleaner works fine & keeping all the small parts in the strainer inside the jar while soaking prevents loss.

You can use pipe cleaners, but a pack of "Interdental brushes" are better for cleaning out the nipple flash channels. The brush is just a micro version of a nylon bore brush. You can also use it to hold the nipple while aligning it to screw back into the cylinder.

You can buy all kinds of fancy & pricey cleaners & solvents, but I've narrowed it down to a spray bottle of windex, a bottle of dish detergent & a can of WD-40 to dry off everything after it's all been cleaned. The kitchen sink & HOT water with the soap is my cleaning station.

Gun oil or CLP of your choice to do the final wipedown & a bag of flannel patches will complete the task.
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.44 - .45 cal. brush and swab. Plus HOT soapy water then dry with a hair dryer and coat all parts with a lite coat of gun oil ( inside and out)
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To clean the Pietta 1858 New Army .44 cal revolver I use the Cabela's Black-Powder Revolver Cleaning Kit. Everything is stored in one place.
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Follow the instructions in the manual, disassemble and clean with soap and water. Rinse with lots of very hot water and dry everything quickly. any cleaning kit with brushes for a 44 will work.
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I use a .45 caliber Bore Snake on the barrel. Followed by a thorough wipe-down with a cloth saturated with Bore Butter.
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Pretty much any .44 cal. cleaning kit for pistols. Just use warm soapy water, scrub and dry everything and lube with something like wonder lube or bore butter. Do not use petrolum based cleaners or lubes as I am told they turn to goo when they react witht the black powder the next time you shoot.
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What holster will fit this revolver?

I looked at all (I think all?) holsters offered by Cabela's and none specifically state a fit that will work with this revolver. Anybody know which holster will fit?
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The Cheyenne Holster #221561and the cross draw double loop holster will work #223296 for the Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver
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I personaly use the TripleK Brand Cheyenne Holster with the Wyoming Belt. But I am planing on purchasing the Black-Powder Revolver Shoulder Holster #XN-21-4091-218, if you want a hunting style Holster I would recomend theTripleK Leather Holster #XN-21-7905
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Any holster that is made for a 5.5 inch revolver should fit the Remington sheriff model just fine. I would stay away from the more molded version as they are molded to fit the shell ejector housing found on most modern single action revolvers. The fit will still be OK with this type of holster, But a "slimjim" style is more applicable in both fit and period styling. The most important thing to keep in mind is the barrel length. Even the modern nylon styles will work just fine.
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i have a Triple K Hickok Holster Item no IK210192 and it fits the 58 new army very good. I am sure the Hunter Company Western Double-Loop Holster will work Item No. IK221363 i have order one but have not gotten it as of yet
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Triple K Cheyenne Centerfire Revolver Holster
Item : IK - 221561
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Any of the cowboy rigs that specify a barrel length that matches your guns barrel length should fit nicely.
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They have a bunch that name the 1858. Use Cabela's search with the words; "black powder holster" and you will see them
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What caps do I use for this? No. 11? or No. 10?

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We suggest using a size 10 cap on the Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, item #215506.
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I use 10's but they say 11's will fit a little tighter and have a little more skirt to fit around the nipple.
I have never had a problem with 10's.
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Remington #11's worked well for me, you have to pinch them close a bit before you put them on the nipples or the will fall off when shooting, #10's will do the same thing
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I believe it calls for number 10's. That's what I use and they seem to work great, and stay on without any problems.
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I use 11s but these fit loosely! you have to pinch them to get them to stay on. I have not tried 10s yet.
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i started out using 11s as 10s were a little tight but after the first100 times a fireing the 10 worked fine you need to watch differnt brands are a shad bigger or smaller i found one brand that worked good and stayed with them
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my solution to this problem was to buy #11 nipples from Track of the Wolf for my piettas. #10 caps are hard to find in my area and i feel that pinching a #11 could cause a leak and perhaps a chainfire.
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Why are these revolvers so popular?

Do they have more control?
Are they much stronger frames?
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I first fired my Dad's 1861 Colt Navy back in 1969. The boom is different than that of a .38 or ,357 revolver. the muzzle flash and cloud of smoke add to the charm of marksmanship of a bygone era.

The Colt was fun, but the Remington, with the stronger top strap frame and more accurate rear sight is MORE fun!

Get one & discover the popularity & fun factor for yourself.
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This revolver is popular first because of it's type, being of the more modern Remington style is has the ability for the cylinder to be easily removed without removing the barrel. Extra cylinders can be bought and loaded making it very easy and fast to reload. The strength of the design also makes it popular as it it the design used to this day with the top strap . The second reason it is liked is the barrel length. The shorter barrel makes it a lighter gun and easier to handle.
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There easier to change cylinders and more accurate and yes they have stronger frames.
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The fit of the cylinder to the barrel makes this pistol much more consistant,the steel frame gives it more accuracy. You can load the cylinder without flexing the frame.
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As far as more control , I would have to answer yes.As for the strength,Yes this design is far stronger than the 1851 versions.
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They just feel great to shoot and Clint Eastwood using them in Pale Rider added some coolness. They do have a strong frame and as long as you are using black powder or the black powder substitute you can't break it by overloading. on that subjest I always use from 30 to 35 grains.
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can i keep this gun loaded for an extended period of time without comprimising the charge or the firearm itself?

My family and I go camping often and sometimes for extended periods of time. can i keep this gun loaded with out hurting the cylinder from the corosive properties in the blk powder. Also will the charge or cap become inefective if i dont fire the gun for long peeriods of time.
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The Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver can maintain the loads for extended periods of time as long as water does not get to the nipple. Recommended steps for protecting the loads include using Bore Butter or some other sealant over the load in the chamber to prevent condensation or humidity from affecting the load (and to prevent chain firing from occuring.) Additional suggested measures include placing an oiled rag, balloon, or plastic wrap over the firearm from the barrel up to the hammer and fastening it down with a rubber band when you are not carrying the revolver or when you bed down at night.
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unfired black powder is not corrosive and will keep for long periods of time in a loaded pistol. Some feel that to be sure the gun will fire they should be freshened up every few weeks, I have personally left a cap and ball revolver loaded for over a year and all cylinders fired and no corrosion was present.
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The biggest considerations in keeping any black powder firearm loaded for extended periods are: humidity, and subsequent unloading.

In Arizona you could probably leave a cap & ball revolver loaded & capped indefinitely without the worry of humidity degrading priming compound or reacting with hygroscopic components of black powder or substitutes. In parts of the country seeing high humidity, a shorter time would be prudent - maybe only a few days.

How long do you plan to keep your gun loaded between firing & how do you plan on unloading it before leaving camp & returning home?

Best practice would still be to load black powder firearms immediately prior to shooting. If you need a loaded firearm for protection, consider a modern cartridge firearm instead.
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If you have been careful to prevent Any moisture from getting Anywhere while you were loading it, and you have the caps set on the nipples firmly, (Do Not hammer them on, just good and firm seat).
I had one Walker Colt loaded in the top of a closet for 8 months one time and every cylinder fired fine.
I'm sure that someone in the 1860's would not have fired his weapon off every night, just to reload every morning.
Humidity and temperature would have an impact on this also. The corrosive part starts after fireing, that's why you Must clean your weapon very well.
Don't store it in a case. Leave it in the open air. Moisture can build up inside a case.
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Just keep it from getting moist. I would shoot & clean it after you get back from camping & just load before you go or if it gets moist.
After you fire black powder then you have to worry about the corrosive properties. Just clean it after shooting & you should be fine.
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It is not advisable to keep any gun loaded. Aside from the safety considerations, black powder weapons may suffer corrosion from the powder.
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where can i get the 45lc conversion cyclinder for this gun

having trouble finding them
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The Pietta model 1858 new Army .44 caliber revolver, item # 215506, is a black powder only firearm and is not capable of converting to a .45 long colt caliber.
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R&D Conversions makes a six shot straight bore cylinder that fires 44-40 cowboy loads. But you have to use heel or hollow based bullets because the barrel bore is .451, or .452 depending on who you ask. You can also get a 5 shot straight bore .45 Long Colt cylinder from R&D that fires cowboy loads. I would go with the six shot .45 Long Colt conversion cylinder from Taylor & Co. It is capable of firing .45 Long Colt cowboy loads and has six chambers. They are bored less than 1/2 of a degree off center to accommodate the larger cartridge, but do not affect accuracy. Just remember to keep one chamber empty as these gun have no safety.
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The internet or any gun shop or gun smith.
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Cabela's will have them. If not, they will order them for you.
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Taylor arms holds the patent on a few of these cylinders. Go right to there site and you'll find what you're looking for.
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Cabela's has them for all the Pietta pistol's.
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What kind of range does this model typically have?

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With my load of 25 gr. FFFG Goex Black powder, a 1/2 sheet of toilet paper folded & seated as an over powder wad, then a round ball seated to lightly compress powder & wad, I can reliably hit a water-filled gallon milk jug at 75 yards.
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I can hit a 12 inch steel plate at 50 yards with ease but 15-25 yards is about it for a beer can sized target
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70 YARDS
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Depends on how good a shot you are! 50 Yards is probably about it. RB is more accurate due to easier loading. Conical bullets can be loaded off center easier, But RB looses energy faster.
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15 yards it shoots realy good but u can hit a target at 25
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Accurate within a few inches out to 50 yrds
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Powder charge?

The Piette owners manual recommends 12-15 grains of FFFG. The Q&A discussion for this gun varies from 25-35 grains - double the amount??
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The correct maximum load for the Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, item number IK-215506, is 35 grains of FFFg black powder or equivalent.
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when i first got my new army i tryed the 12 to 15 grains it was lucky to push the ball 6 foot out of the gun i shot 30 to 35 grains it shots very good with that i have never had a problem after going to that i have went down to 25 grain but like 30 to 30 grains
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The chart you are looking at is the "SUGGESTED GRAINS". The next chart down on the same page gives the "Maximum" as 35 grains black powder or 28 grains Pyrodex.
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The manual shows more then one type of Pietta models. You are looking at the wrong chart. The correct load is 28, but I round it off to 30 grains and I have perfect shot groups.
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I use 40gr. Hodgens Pyrodex pellets with a round ball it shoots very accurately.
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lubed revolver wads

Should you use wads between powder, ball & after seating ball? Or just between powder & ball w/bore butter to seal chamber.? ( from chain fire)
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The proper procedure for loading of the Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver – Free Starter Kit Included, item # IK-215506, is demonstrated in this link buy our field staff. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/c...
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Here's the order I load in:

1. Powder
2. Ball
3. BoreButter
4. Percussion Caps

I don't use a wad between powder and ball. I'm not positive on this, but I think wads were original used for shooting shot loads. There not necessary when shooting balls.
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Either wads over the ball or between the ball and powder work, user either or both. My preference is between the ball and the powder so as to not interfere with the trajectory of the ball. However the best protection from chain fires is an oversize ball. for the Pietta .44 revolvers I prefer to use .454" balls over the .451" diameter balls for that reason. the chamber wall should shave a small ring of lead as it is seated. Then you know you have a good gas seal. Make sure the mouths of the chambers have no nicks and are slightly chamfered. Some people apply some lube or grease over the balls instead of a wad, but when the gun is fired, the gas escaping from the cylinder gas blows most of the grease out of the adjoining chambers, leaving little to act as a seal or lube.
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I just use wads between the charge & ball. In my limited experience (approximately 150 rds) I have not had any issues.
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you use it in this order powder wad ball but i dont use them at all as i use 454 bulls that are such a tight fit you get a little rig of lead when you seat it as for the bore butter after you season the barrol in my way of thinking you do not need to use the bore butter after that
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Which molds are compatible with the Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44?

For instance, are both of the following OK (what is the min and max usable size)?
IK - 214300
IK - 213716
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You can use both of the molds mentioned, the IK - 214300 and the IK - 213716, with the Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, Item: IK-215506. The .450" diameter in the conical bullets and the .451" ball mold would be the correct sizes.
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There is a .004" difference between the Cabelas & the Pietta instructions packed in your new pistol box. In the matter of proper bullet diameter, Pietta is correct with their recommendation to use the .454" bullets, whether round ball or conical.

Many customer reviews state satisfaction in using their .451" round balls, and if that's all you have at hand, they WILL work. The .454" ball has greater accuracy potential, and here's why:

When you seat a ball, a little ring of lead shaves off. This creates a flat spot, or "engagement band" around the ball, which is widened a little as the ball passes thru the forcing cone. A wider engagement band from a larger diameter bullet will give more surface area for rifling to engage the bullet.

There's also a balance between ball diameter and force needed to seat it. Even if you use one of the Traditions table top cylinder loading tools, a ball of excess diameter can become difficult & at least unpleasant to seat.

While the .451" bullet will also shave off that little ring of lead, it won't seat as tightly, the engagement band will be narrower, and there is greater likelihood that a ball may become unseated in the chamber during firing recoil, especially with heavier powder loads.

You didn't ask, but regarding powder, the most accurate info is found in the Cabelas manual, while the Pietta data is liability driven to post artificially light loads.

35 gr FFFG that Cabelas lists is a near-maximum, yet safe Black Powder or Pyrodex load, however, as almost all shooters eventually discover, 25 gr FFFG will give you the best target precision.

Caps? they also don't tell you that #10 caps fit best, whether Remington or CCI.
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The Max would be 0.457 RB pure lead Hard to seat.
Min would be about 0.452 when seating a small shaving of lead will be left behind. If not its too small.
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I mold round balls of .454 size using a lee round ball mold. Works great.
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i use the 454 round and the 450 conical molds
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I just bought the Pietta 1858 New Army with the starter kit. How does the capping tool work?

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You would pull the follower back on the Tedd Cash Straight-Line Capper, Item: IK-210366, and then put the U shaped item over it to hold it back. Then you would drop in the caps from the hole in the back side with the hole facing the slot in the bottom of the capper. After you insert a cap tilt the capper so that the follower is up and the tip is down, then repeat until loaded with as many as it holds or you want. Then release the follower slowly. You will then need to make sure a primer is in the fingers at the tip. Put the cap in the tip on the nipple and then pull straight sideways and the primer should stay on the nipple of the pistol.
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I'm not sure exactly which capper they include in the kit, but the principle is the same for most brass in-line cappers. Drop your caps thru the access hole in the capper so that when they emerge at the dispensing end, they will be open end up. The cap is then simply placed over the nipple, and the capper pulled away, perpendicular to the cap. You do not want to lift the capper off the nipple, since it may take the cap with it. The spring loaded finger(s) will snap out of the way while you withdraw the capper, and if you position the capper properly, the next cap can advance into loading position via gravity.

After use, you may see some shiney places on the nose of the capper, where the brqass scrapes against the steel of the cylinder. You can gently touch up these wear areas with a fine file in order to allow smoother capping action.
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I think you had better see some video's or take your weapon to a gun dealer or smith for instruction.
This is Not A Toy and you should be fully competent on loading (using a capper) before you try to fire it.
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Good one, I have two different one's and have not figured either one out yet.
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Loading Conical Bullets

I am new to Black Powder. But I was wondering if you have this gun upright in loading position, when loading conical bullets, you put in the right amount of powder, then place in bullet and depress loading ram rod. After gun is loaded do you still have to use the luberciant or not. Thank you.
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After loading the cylinder on the Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-215506, we recommend putting lubricant over the ends of each chamber on the cylinder to prevent chain firing.
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cat1949, I bought a pair these 3Yr ago and I luv em. I just tried loading 225 gr conical bullets in them and found that I have to remove the cylinders and load them on them on a separate stand. The conical's are just too long to fit between the cylinder and rammer. As for using lube over the end of the chambers, its always a good idea to due so. Although chainfires initiated from the front are rare (most occur from the rear due to loose caps or nipples). The lube reduces fouling caused by blackpowder and its substitutes.
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i just lube the ribs of the conical bullet and have not had no problems
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Yes you do, If you don't you may have two or more cyl. go off at the same time. That could hurt.
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What holster will fit this revolver?

I looked at all (I think all?) holsters offered by Cabela's and none specifically state a fit that will work with this revolver. Anybody know which will fit?
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The link below shows all of the available holsters that Cabela's currently carries for the Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver.

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Cabela's sells several holsters for the 1858. My favorite is th C.S. Triple K Cavalry Holster because the gun is held very secure but I own and use the triple K Hickok for when I want to do quick draw shooting
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I use an Oklahoma Leather Slim Jim crossdraw holster. Believe I got it from Cabela's a few years ago.
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Will this gun shoot conical bullets.

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Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, item #215506, will shoot conical bullets.
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yes
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Yes they will, but They used round ball's in the civil war. Also they are less expensive, and more accurate to history, but more accurate shooting. I do not believe they had conical shots back then. I could be wrong about that though.
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Hey Guys, I know you reccomend using lub when loading to prevent other chambers from firing but can you use the lubercated wades instead.

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The Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-215506, will require some type of barrier to prevent crossfiring when shooting black powder revolvers. The Ox-Yoke Revolver Wonder Seals, item # IK-216538, as well as lubricated pistol wads could prevent crossfire.
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Yes you can, that's what they are for.
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i have a 58 new army i use 454 balls thay fit so tight when you press them in you shave off a ring of lead there for i do use lube at all now at first you need to use lube to season the barol
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is this gun considered a antique firearm or replica of ?

in my state a felon can posess a percussion type antique firearm or replica... is this pistol in that catagory ?
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The Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, Item # IK-215506, is a replica of an antique firearm, please contact your local police department for more information on the legality of owning it.
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What State? Laws vary from state to state or city to city. In Mississippi this is a black powder gun per my attorney.
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it is a replica and i think better the originals
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Why does Cabelas recommend a .451 ball and Pietta states a .454 ball is required?

I have read through the Pietta manual and read hundreds of reviews and opinions from others. I would like to know if there is a safety or equipment reason behind Cabelas disagreement with the Manufacturer.
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The Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, item – 215506, can use .451 and .454 diameter lead round balls. We recommend .451 diameter balls as they are easier to load, more lead will shave off of a .454 and be a little harder to load, essentially once both sizes are in the chamber they will be the same.
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No disagreement, just interchangeable recommendations. I use both 451 and 454 successfully.
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Ok here is hands on experience ! .451 balls are ok if you don't load over 18 grains of 3F otherwise they will slide forward and jam the cylinder with a heavier load of powder , .454 balls will stay tight with a max loading ! I would assume that the person who wrote .451 hit the wrong key ? or was misinformed as to the best size bullet for the gun ?
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Are the nipples able to be removed and swapped for the #11 nipple?

I know they make nipples for most of these guns in the 2 sizes. Has anyone ever purchased the #11 nipples and replaced them from the #10 as the #10 percussion caps are a rarity now a days.
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The Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver, item # IK-215506, is designed to use the #10 percussion caps. Cabela's does not advise changing the nipples to #11 size.
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#10 caps are longer than a #11 caps I.D.is the same !
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